Happy Wednesday! Are we all recovered from the massive celebrations of yesterday’s holiday (Madhuri Day)? Anyway, this is the place to chat about anything and everything you have been thinking and reading and watching this week
I’ll start!
Reading: Still going through Terry Pratchett in books. And also reading tons of Savitri articles, if you are similarly curious, this is the most comprehensive one (not promising accurate, just comprehensive):
http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Tollywood/2013-12-22/Drama-in-real-life/80115
Thinking: I am very proud of my little doggie for being calm at home alone for 9 hours every weekday, especially since she is only a little baby doggie, not even two yet. However, I think I should try to avoid pushing her tolerance by going out in the evenings on work nights, considering the first time she tried to beat the door down when I left, the next time she ate two whole chocolate bars, and the third time she apparently read a book in my bed using my reading glasses (I found a book off the shelf and my back-up glasses buried in the blankets). So, no more unnecessary socializing on weeknights!
Watching: Finished Brooklyn 99, now back to Sabrina the Teenage Witch again. And Indian stuff too, but I can’t tell you about it, because it will turn into real grown up posts at some point.
Okay, question for you! Madhuri themed, of course.
What Madhuri movie have I not yet reviewed and should?
And now, bonus video! I came home last week to discover Dog Hazel had managed to tear up my entire apartment in a (ultimately successful) quest to drag a bag of treats off the center of the dining room table. So naturally I congratulated her on being so clever and started thinking about what I had done wrong as a dog owner to make her this bored. (My sister points out that this attitude of “misbehavior is just energy misdirected” is why my Sunday School class has turned into total anarchy. My feeling is that a few minor cuts and burns and property damage are worth it if it makes kids excited to go to church.)
Anyway, I ended up reacting to her tearing up the apartment and stealing treats by buying her a toy. If she wobbles it just right, it will dispense food.
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I love Sabrina the teenage witch.I remember prowling all the libraries for that one issue where Sabrina’s cat turns human -her cousin Sebastian, I think?I think you’ve covered all the major Madhuri movies here.
I’ve been watching Sunil Dutt’s movies and won’t be finishing any time soon.The man had a career spanning at least 40 years.After watching his tragic romance with Waheeda Rehman in Mujhe Jeene do, it was such a relief to watch them in a silly farce Ek Phool Chaar Kante.He has to win over Waheeda’s four uncles by pretending to be four different men -a religious student,actor,yoga expert and a Rock and Roll dancer.His parents find his newfound interests perplexing.There’s his best friend who’s in love with Waheeda and has to be dealt with.All this while Waheeda is having the time of her life watching Sunil Dutt scramble.”Oh,” she says “I wish I had a dozen uncles.”
Then there was Kismet ka Khel where he’s a fugitive wanted for murder.While robbing a bakery he meets with Vyjayanthimala who’s the leader of a gang of pickpockets and street people.At first he finds them very dirty and dishonest.But soon enough they are helping him find out the true murderer.While Sunil languishes in jail, Vyjayanthimala and the victim’s daughter end up getting the confession from the murderer and beating him up before delivering him to the police.
In Duniya Jhukti hai Sunil Dutt turns into a life of crime after his girlfriend dumps him for a richer powerful man.After some 5-6 years he’s a minor crime boss working for a mysterious “Boss” has a tawaif girlfriend and a gang of amiable thieves.He becomes attached to a fatherless boy (an adorable Daisy Irani)and pretends to be the latter’s father.Only Munna is his ex’s son, and now she’s a single mother.The rest of the film deals whether Munna can bring him back “to the world of honest people” and whether his superiors will let him go.As the honest Mohan he’s clean cut,handsome,wears neatly pressed clothes and very passionate..As the dishonest Bankelal he’s sleazy, with tousled hair and a small moustache,colorful wardrobe consisting of loose kurta,embroidered vest and lungi and walks with a swagger.Sunil is extremely convincing as two different people here.
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You are amazing, with your ability and interest in tracking down these older films. Once Sanju comes out, everyone else will be in the theaters for the Sanjay Dutt/Madhuri gossip, and you will be sitting there thinking “wait, they messed up that obscure fact about Kumar Gaurav’s career, and Sunil wasn’t filming that movie when Sanju was born, he was filming this other movie”.
What’s really interesting to me, from your description of the plots, is how fluid society was in those films. Our heroes were criminals and bandits, even if they started out clean good people, the line was very blurry. And women too! Good, bad, it was just a matter of a few scenes for it to switch. And now, there is such a HUGE deal made if it is a “different” kind of heroine or hero, “different” meaning not upperclass English speaking officer worker.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:13 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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I have been SO prejudiced about these older movies.And you’re right.They focused on the problems of people from all parts of society- urban,rural,rich,poor.And not every criminal’s sad past was revealed.But the underlying message was that you can always change yourself.Even if you can never go back to the person who you were before.
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Society was fluid back then not just the films. My grandparents had a bandit friend who operated in the areas around the Nepal border. He used to bring supplies when our family home in the village was besieged by the enemy group and my grandmother had all the kids sent away and she used to patrol our terrace with a .12 bore! My dad wanted to grow up to become a bandit so that was like a legit career choice back then. LOL
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My Mom used to nanny for a little boy who wanted to grow up to be a cowboy. And then he did. Took 20-some years, but he pulled it off!
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:33 PM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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I’m still very confused about what exactly is it that a cowboy does?! Is it like a horse farm job?
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Kind of. We have ranches with 100s of cattle all together. The cowboys have to control the cows, which means they have to be on horseback to get in and out of the herd, and they have to have these amazing skills in roping, shooting, and of course riding. It’s also a very lonely existence, just you and your horse and the cows out in the middle of nowhere (because there has to be enough space for all the cows to move around). So we have this romantic tradition of the lonely cowboy poet, spending all day doing brave superhuman horse tricks, and then at night under the stars singing songs.
Anyway, it’s the kind of thing every little boy wants to be, but very few little boys actually go off and do it.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 7:51 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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So little American boys dream of becoming lonely cattle herders! That’s fascinating!
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Yep! That’s what the whole idea of “West World” is based on, cowboys and the “wild west” is the American fantasy.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:39 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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That just became so very dark!!! 😂
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Gotta insert that many little girls have also wanted to grow up and become cowboys! Especially when the only female options in that setting were Miss Kitty, the bar lady with a heart of gold, or the ranch wife, who may or may not get murdered when the guys are away, and otherwise cooks for all the ranch hands and raises the children alone.
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I feel like the whole KKHH dynamic of the interesting tomboy girl and the “perfect” feminine girl is a recurring theme in Westerns too. Our heroine is a tomboy who ropes and rides and shoots and she is contrasted with the “proper” boring women. the ballet Rodeo, the musicals Girl Crazy/Crazy for You, and loads of books, all with that plot. And with the western setting, often the happy ending is a discovery that a “tough” woman is better and more useful in this place than the perfect woman, so she doesn’t have to change herself. At least, I know that’s how a lot of the Zane Grey’s end, our horse mad heroine is cheerful and happy on the trail and everyone ends up liking her better than the soft woman who is afraid of horses and worried about the sun and all that.
Boy, now this is making me want to go back to Zane Grey for a bit! I may need to take a Terry Pratchett break.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 10:39 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Being from Ohio, the archetype of that heroine for me is Annie Oakley. 🙂 And, of course, in real life women have in the past, and still do become cowboys!
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Amazing — the plot of that Ek Phool Chaar Kante is almost exactly the plot of Salman’s Dulhan Hum Le Jayenge! Who knew that was based on an oldie!
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Did you see another comment about Ahodh? Sounds very similar to Uphaar, another case of an oldie being remade-sort-of.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:45 PM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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I haven’t seen this movie, but I would love to read your review of Abodh, Madhuri’s debut film.
I watched Mukkabaaz last week, and strongly recommend it , but not as a boxer story (because in some parts it was very similar to Irrudhi Suttru), but as a story of boxer’s girlfriend who despite of her handicap and coming from very traditional, women disrespecting family, fights for what she wants. An intelligent, strong woman
And few days later I watched Hey Jude. I really, really like it.
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Yaaay, someone else who saw Hey Jude! I liked it too. It wasn’t the greatest movie of all time, but it took a familiar set-up and handled it in a respectful and intelligent way instead of just going for the tropes.
Did you come out of it, like me, more impressed by Trisha than Nivin?
Oh, and really interested on your take on Mukkabaaz, it sounds like once again Aanand L Rai came up with a really interesting original film to produce. And Jimmy Shergill is in it? That’s always a good sign.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:05 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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I liked both, but I agree with you – Trisha had more difficult role and did it very very good. Nivin was great also, but maybe not as good as her.
And Mukkabaaz is really good. It has it all – gripping story, strong characters, woman who has her own dreams and life and is not only an eye-candy , good actors, good music, and
Vineet Kumar Singh going shirtless often 😉 . Full package movie.
And yes, Jimmy Shergill was the villain, and he was scary. He plays an ex-boxer, aggresive type with his health damaged by boxing. As always he was very good.
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Mukkabaaz wasn’t on my mental list to watch at all, but you may have convinced me.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:34 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Abodh is not very good.It’s about child marriage.But the way the movie tried to trivialize the fact that Madhuri’s husband tries to force her to have sex is frustrating.And somebody in Madhuri’s family should have had a talk with her about birds and bees.It’s definitely handled better in Balika Badhu.
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I just looked up Abodh, and it reminds me of Uphaar, the early Jaya Bachchan movie Moimeme recommended to me that I had a hard time tracking down. I don’t know how I feel about these romances of a young girl who doesn’t want marriage and then grows up and is “wiser” and appreciates her husband. At least in Uphaar (from what I can tell not having seen it) everyone told the hero it was a bad idea and wouldn’t work, but he insisted and that is why he married someone so much younger in spirit than he.
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I’m so very excited that you are reading Terry Pratchett. What I wouldn’t give for a Granny Weatherwax in my life. She exemplifies living live on her own terms, but morally, and dispensing tough love to those around her. She would drive me crazy but I’m sure I’d be a better person for it.
The two questions that I try to ask Shah Rukh whenever he does some livestream to promote a movie, or (almost never now) does #AskSRK on Twitter, is whether he reads Pratchett, and who from the Discworld universe he’d like to play. After the Witches novels, I recommend the Vimes series. Shah Rukh would make a really awesome Sam Vimes, and they would be fun stories to cast. So far, no response. 🙂 Oh–and a fun standalone one is Monstrous Regiment.
Watched half of Pari last night (thanks, filmilibrarian–I think–who mentioned it’s on Prime). I don’t think anyone mentioned in the discussion here the poor doggies. Twice in the first half some poor puppy gets hurt. Of course I don’t like that people (especially women) are getting hurt either, but one expects that when watching a horror movie. Other than that I’m really enjoying it. Looking forward to finishing it and hope people here are still up for discussing it a bit.
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I think Pari is one that will be discussed and discussed for years, I’m hoping/expecting for it to be a bit of a cult hit.
You are right about the doggies! Although the film treats that respectfully, it’s not just for shock, part of the reason they are being hurt is because they will sacrifice themselves voluntarily to help someone. Your reaction reminds me of John Wick, when I showed it to my sister and brother-in-law, they loved the movie, but had to leave the room for the opening sad bit. Dozens of Russian gangsters could be killed, no problem, but the dog better not be hurt!!!!
I was just at my church quilting group on Monday, and there is a woman who is a bit of a “Granny Weatherwax” in that group. Tiny little lady, almost 80, gets up at 4am every morning to swim laps, and essentially runs the whole church. Also a very scary little lady. Now that I think about it, when I first joined the church 10 years ago there was a different tiny old woman who ran everything. I guess that’s just a consistent thing! Every church always has a terrifying small (always small) old woman that does everything, and as one of them dies, another one ages into the role. I strongly suspect that, in 50 years, it will be me. I just have to shrink 6 inches.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:06 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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I have traveled the world, and one universal truth is that old women get shit done. My mom is one of those old church ladies now! I don’t think tiny is a requirement, but it can add to the comedic element.
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I hosted my annual Problematic Mother’s Day, for friends who for whatever reason just aren’t into the holiday. It’s now in its seventh year as a no-explanation, no-apology event. In previous years we would hang out at a local bar, ideally one with a male bartender. This year I was seriously jonesing for Indian movies and since I now have a little cadre of budding fans, I offered a marathon! We started at 1 pm with English/Vingish, then Jab Harry Met Sejal at 4, and wrapping up with Queen from 7 to 9:30 pm. Snacks and beverages throughout. I had a total of ten people show up, with one friend who watched all three. I see another marathon in our future, as people LOVED it.
I am reading “Far From the Madding Crowd” for my book group. They were in the mood for Thomas Hardy and thankfully I talked them out of Jude the Obscure.
And I have been thinking about designing and making things: a stole for our choir director, a baby quilt for some friends expecting their first, and a new outfit for myself, out of some Ghanaian fabric passed on my a friend.
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My church quilting group was just looking back at the stoles we have made! The key is to know the height of the person you are making it for. But you probably already know much more about it than I would. The other thing we talked about was quilters versus Quilters. Our quilting group is very ramshackle, we do a lot of imperfect things and we don’t have access to a real quilting sewing machine. But we all know scary formal quilters of the type that have machine stitching and crazy high standards and all that. The nice thing is, if you let yourself be imperfect, you can finish projects much faster.
I am jealous of your marathon!!!!! And also thinking maybe I should try that, just for the time flexibility, I always have a hard time getting a group together all at the same time, but if I could tell them “arrive whenever, movies will be playing all day” it might be easier.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:24 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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I think that’s what made it work so well. A few latecomers had to the caught up, but the others enjoyed filling them in. We just paused the movie for a minute and gave them a synopsis. And it was great fun yelling at the villains as a group!
I am definitely a small “q” quilter. I know how it should be done if you are making them for a living, but mine never quite reach that level. We have seven memorial quilts at our church, where names of the dear departed are displayed, and they were done by a group of Quilters.
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We have one Quilter in our group, and her sister has an actual thousand dollar machine quilting machine. And she runs a small business out of her home, you can mail her a quilt and she will machine stitch it for you for a couple hundred dollars. I am fascinated by this because it’s just such an old fashioned business plan, renting out your technology on a case by case basis, like someone with a flour mill in the 1700s.
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I was watching Deepika and Aishwarya’s loreal shows in Cannes. Couldn’t bear Deepika for more than 5 min, she’s literally unable to string a sentence without the ums and I think. Aishwarya, on the other hand was a delight. She’s a wonderful orator, and so classy. I don’t think much of her as an actress, but out of a the Indian actresses representing India abroad, she is the best, she really knows how to conduct herself. Priyanka’s too hyper on all these American shows and seems so fake. Deepika, on the other side of the spectrum, is too boring.
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Aish always seems kind of fake to me, but it’s all about context, I might have just heard her speak too much.
Deepika doesn’t seem fake, but I know what you mean about seeming uncomfortable with public speaking and interviews. It’s not for everybody.
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Ash can be fake when she’s giggling continuously, but I think she’s stopped that now.
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I just checked you Madhuri film review index to see which films you have reviewed, and my goodness, you are missing a ton of her well-known movies! So here are my suggestions for what to review:
1. Mrityudand (her pick for her best performance)
2. Beta (remake of a Telugu film — see if you can spot the “Telugu” traits in it. More commonly referred to as “Beti” since she dominated the film. Also the one with the song Dhak Dhak Karne Laga)
3. Ram Lakhan
4. Pukar (with iconic Que Sera Sera song with Madhuri and Prabhu Deva dancing)
5. Dil Tera Aashiq — less well know, but a cute lighthearted rom com with Salman
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6. Also Gaja Gamini (for the what the heck! entry 🙂 )
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Gaja Gamini and Pukar (I think) and Ram-Lakhan (definitely) I have already seen. So those are easy posts to write. Mritryadaud I think I’ve seen a song from (something cute on a bicycle) but nothing else, and Dil Tera Aashiq I hadn’t even heard of. Hmmm, maybe a Madhuri week for Bucket List? Or at least a Friday classic.
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OK, sorry, Beta was the official remake of a Tamil film, but reading its source history is quite head spinning! 🙂 (I really wish there was an edit function here, so I wouldn’t have to make multiple posts like this, nor leave in minor typos. 😦 )
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Yes, Beta, I don’t know why Margaret hesitates to watch it.
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Well, I’ve had other people tell me it’s only worth it for Madhuri’s performance, the rest of the film is so-so. But then those same people told me that Madhuri alone is so amazing, it is still worth watching.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:46 PM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Well, as a bonus, you can watch Beta, then compare Madhuri’s acting in it with Savitri’s acting in the much earlier Ardhangi, which is something of an original version of this film.
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Yell-o cuz Finals are approaching.
Watching: The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt; oh so good and funny. I want to watch Brooklyn 99, where do you watch it? Brooklyn 99 for renewed by NBC after outbreaks from fan when NBC announced it will be cancelled. oh, so grreat. I saw Mahanati yesterday and maybe Allu’s movie; do you ever watch Allu Arjun’s movie or did you decide to skip it cuz of Female movies being successful. Didnt see his movie at all in the Box Office post; is it gone?
Thinking: I am turning 21 this year and what do TO DO! Dont want a party organized by my parents because when I opening my gifts, she will say, all the outpouring of love I received was due to her past contributions and affection to the family, and thats why I getting those gifts. Why cant I be appreciated instead of it being related to my mother. *sigh. What did you do for 21st birthday?
Reading: This book about conquering my 20’s. Since I am transferring from a community college to an university, I am worried I wont have enough time having the college experience. The book is kind of helping my nerves.
Madhuri movie; hmmmmmmm, I think you covered all 🙂
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Also, I am so happy you found an amazing dog ❤ and decided to put the other dog back, not worrying about what people had to say. What happened to the other dog? Did anyone adopt him? He/She was so sad.
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Oh yeah, she was adopted within 24 hours. She was very adoptable, the bright pretty new Barbie doll of dogs, very friendly and with perfect hair and face and tail. Just had to be at the shelter long enough for someone to notice her, and she was snapped right up.
Meanwhile, my current dog was out for adoption for 5 months without even an application, no one noticed or wanted her. She is the old teddy bear with the fur worn off of dogs, lots of odd skin tags and scars and missing a tooth and 20 pounds overweight and so shy that she can’t make eye contact with people outside her house. But so sweet once I got her home!
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I love The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt!!!! So good, it’s true. Brooklynn 99 is on Hulu, if you can access that. I didn’t get to Allu’s movie, too many other things to watch. And I just skimmed the box office for this week and it wasn’t in the top 5 anywhere, so it’s probably dropping out of theaters.
My 21st was with my parents, but it wasn’t a big family thing, it was really nice. I was going to school in Chicago, my sister and my parents came to visit me, we went to an old fancy hotel restaurant and ordered champagne and my parents made me have a glass and made a big fuss, and then we walked the couple miles back to my dorm room through downtown at night. I don’t know if that helps, because it’s not really possible to recreate.
I don’t know if this helps, but I didn’t have the “college experience” until I was about 3 years out of college and living in an apartment. For me, college was a lot like what it sounds like you have had so far. I had part-time jobs that I really liked and studied and enjoyed my classes, but there were no wild late nights or parties or big group of friends. And then when I was 24-25 I ended up working a job where I made a ton of friends and we would hang out after work at my apartment and stay up until 3am and just generally do all those fun things that people talked about happening in college and I never had.
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Madhuri films to review-
Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam with Salman & SRK. Remake of a Tamil film.
Pukar-unlike usual Madhuri films where the heroes can’t but help chase her, this one had Madhuri chasing the hero. Lot of good songs.
Prem Rog-had a very suffering Madhuri. She gets raped, has to bury her child & a whole lot of stuff while Rishi Kapoor is looking for her. I think this was from RK studios & directed by Rishi Kapoor’s younger brother.
Dil, Raja, Beta- masala flicks where Madhuri dominated over the proceedings and had great songs featuring her.
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I just saw a reference to Prem Rog! It was the movie Sanjay was going to make one of the times his life fell apart and Rishi had to step in instead. And I have a secret fondness for Dil. The wedding scene is so ridiculous and wonderful!
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:41 PM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Oh I meant Prem Granth. That’s the suffering Madhuri movie.
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Is Prem Rog the suffering Padmini one? Because that one I have seen, and I got very frustrated with how long it took for her to reach her happy ending.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:32 PM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Yep. Prem Rog is suffering Padmini & Prem Granth is suffering Madhuri. Both have Rishi in the sidelines, as the final consolation prize.
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But Padmini gets young Rishi, so her suffering is almost worth it.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 4:42 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Prem Granth is based on Tess dei d’Urbervilles, so it must have suffering heroine. At least, seems they have changed the ending, so maybe it won’t be depressing as the book.
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Had very little watching time but finally finished Inquilaab, and I felt a little ashamed of myself for laughing at it. It seems to be a sincere attempt to treat the theme of corruption and croneyism, something which is still a problem everywhere. And maybe in the early 80s people could watch it without constantly going “um, really?” (Who said that when we read a book/watch a film from another time we are “translating” it into our own idiom, even if the language is our own? Maybe Umberto Ecco?). It does have a fairly serious plot hole, in that the web of lies that supposedly traps Amitabh forever so that he has no hope of escape could actually be dealt with fairly easily, and I actually kept expecting that to happen and then looking at my watch and thinking “what are they going to do for another 70 minutes?” And the whole thing with all the hallucinations and dream sequences and cartoonishly evil villains and, as I’ve mentioned, people punching each other, is just way way way over the top. But you should totally watch it when you’re done with all the Madhuri watching!
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That will never happen! I’ve also got mother’s day watching to finish before the Madhuri watching. Amitabh will have to wait until October when it’s Amitabh Day.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:56 PM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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But for Amitabh Day you should watch one of his good films! But maybe this is significant in some way, like his segue into an Angry Middle-aged Man or something.
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Finished watching Pari. Now I need to re-watch and think some more about it. Beautifully shot, great performances, just the right amounts of scares and gore for me, iffy plot but worth it for the treatment of the themes you highlighted in your spoiler review. Anushka is really something special. And I LOVED the way sound was used throughout–made everything much scarier.
Watched the new Ittefaq over the weekend with hubby. We both enjoyed it but I’m finding that not much about the movie stands out in my mind now. I like the theme of the user/fame hungry author, and you just know that Sid’s next book is going to feature the cop’s dead brother. Ugh.
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Oh, I didn’t even think about that! Yeah, you are right, Sid is totally going to use Akshaye’s story next.
Glad you finished Pari, and eager to hear your thoughts. Oh, and now I know for sure that you saw the bit where they explain that the dogs voluntarily offer themselves to Anushka, because they just want to help. And the part at the end where she resists.
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Yes, those bits at the end helped. And her compulsive drawing of the poor little doggie on the street. 😥
Akshaye was really good. I can see why SRK was praising his acting all over the place when this came out (aside from it being a promotional strategy).
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I really love Akshaye in that. And I was thinking about it when I wrote my newest DDLJ section, I’ve decided I like it is a DDLJ sequel, poor shy Mandira goes to the city it meets intelligent lowkey Akshaye who slowly pulls her out of her shell until she turns into a confident snapping back kind of wife.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 11:28 AM, dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Perfect!
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