Wednesday Watching Post: What Are You Reading and Watching and Thinking and Listening To 4th of July Week?

Happy Wednesday! Let’s chat! I am in the middle of a massive heat wave and have retreated to my air conditioned bedroom for the day! Keep me company!

I’ll sart!

Reading: This is totally off the wall, but if you watch BBC shows (like I do), and if you want some serious analysis (like I write), you should check out The Guardian website! They’ve got really great episode by episode reviews, I just discovered them and now I am addicted: https://www.theguardian.com/us/tv-and-radio

Watching: Speaking of BBC shows, I just swung back around to Vera. And now I want to remake it in India, but as a romance. Shefali Shah as a difficult smart detective, Sid M as her sweet younger sergeant who worries about her and is secretly in love with her?

Thinking: Blurgh, my foot surgery thing is so complicated. I hate medical stuff! Every appointment gives birth to two more appointments. And then I have to take time off work, and drive drive drive, and fill out paperwork, and be all stressed about contagion, and then just when I think I am done, ANOTHER APPOINTMENT. I’d just give up if my foot didn’t hurt so bad.

Listening: Only upside to the appointment thing, I get to listen to music while I drive around. This popped up before my last appointment and was pretty great.

Now, question for you! For 4th of July week! If you could pick one Indian movie to show everyone in America (like, if we could broadcast it simultaneously on all broadcast Networks, plus streaming services), what would it be?

Hmmm. Has to be totally universal, right? I think I would go for K3G. I know, it’s ridiculous and over the top and all of that, but it’s also irresistible. And hey, everyone in Germany watched it almost 20 years ago and it started a love story that lasted to today!

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  1. Watched the ‘Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga’ and we all expected it to be the worst thing ever, but it was actually funny (but comedy is subjective), respectful, cute, has the right music and actually captured the spirit of the whole large inside joke it is for us on the other side of the Atlantic. I know it’s America week here, but if anyone’s interested in watching it then it has the avid Eurovision watcher approval from me.

    By obligation of talking about Eurovision, I have to post this video. Måns actually won Eurovision in 2015 for Sweden, hence he is here, being very, very Dard-E-Disco if I have to make an Indian comparison:

    And the rivalry is merely goodwill Frenemy kind of stuff whenever I speak about Sweden-Finland here, just need to clarify if some things I write come off worse than they actually are. 🙂

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  2. For totally universal,I would say Lagaan(hugely popular as a period drama),3 Idiots(for obvious reasons)and My Name Is Khan(thematically,some of it hasn’t aged well,but acting wise it is marvellous) or Andhadhun.The 70’s and 80’s parallel cinema is also universally palatable.Maybe Mughal e Azam for grandeur,Pakeezah for beauty and Pyaasa for the brilliant utilisation of the popular tropes of Indian Cinema but topped with a brilliant direction that somehow brings everything together(Even though Satyajit Ray was an even better director,but he worked with even more down to earth scripts that felt too universal but had very flawed characters that don’t necessarily draw,nor were they meant to draw any sympathy;his characters weren’t as anviliciously symbolic as Guru Dutt’s men.Ray’s films had more silent charm that can be a bit frustrating when you like it but can’t quite figure it out what is actually fascinating you,like a slow hynotism.Pyaasa however had a lot of weird “filmi” stuff and still it felt real,relevant and larger than life.But I think Ray or Kamal Hassan can be included-aren’t they Indian Cinema if not Hindi?)
    How on earth do you think KKKG is universal?Don’t you know there are many people trying to diet?(No,I am not being sarcastic.)

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  3. My answer is: Sanam Teri Kasam.
    I know that probably the majority would not love it, but think about the people who like this kind of cinema and maybe don’t know such movies are still made.

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    • So, a very focused attack, the people who like that kind of movie will really really love it and be total converts, who cares about the rest.

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    • Because you think America would fall in love with these films? Or that it is worth it to try to bring them to America for the sake of the few people who will love them?

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      • I mean, the last part, because I really have no idea what would work in the us and I have opposite taste to most people everywhere, and if I chose something people would like, I would hate it.

        They might quite like Don though, it’s pretty close to trash and cult US cinema and it’s got guns in it.

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          • Oh he MUST!!!! If not, now is the time, he’s got nothing else going on, he should stay home and catch up on classic Masala films.

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      • I THOUGHT OF A GOOD ONE FOR AMERICA. Kacche Dhaage. It’s full of rape and killing, but it’s really about two horrible criminals becoming sympathetic and also bros and it stars Kabir Bedi. I know I make it sound bad but it’s pretty good if grim and they oversell the sympathy only for Vinod’s character.

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        • Wait, all of America is going to watch this? Even the little babies? I don’t know.

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          • You are right! It got lost in the comment alerts. I just showed Dangal to a friend, and it worked great. It’s not the stereotype Indian movie, but still distinctly different (songs that build the emotions and all that), and it walks you through all the new stuff in the film, and it’s just generally a good movie. Only downside is that the final competition segments are a bit slow, but I think that’s just how sports movies are.

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          • That’s not all ages at all!

            Is there no happy Govinda movie without rape and violence?

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          • Yeah but they’re all about poor people taking down rich people, you can’t have that in America. Also Maharaja is a lovely fairytale but I haven’t seen that yet. That’s probably the best option.

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  4. For universal appeal I’m going to say Dangal. Not because it’s the best film but because it’s exactly the kind of film that mainstream audiences would enjoy. Pro-women message but not in a threatening way. Good songs but not OTT dance numbers. Sports film that does a good job of explaining the rules in an organic way before the big competition at the climax. Russell Crowe loved it and even though he’s Australian I think Americans would have the same reaction.

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  5. Reading: I finished Lady Chevy by John Woods, here is my review: If you want to understand why the 2016 election went the way it did read Lady Chevy by John Woods. The book is a fictional thriller, but like so much fiction it illustrates a particular reality more clearly than any non-fictional Hillbilly Elegy can. It has gripping characters that you don’t love, but that fascinate you and leave you wanting more. I’m hoping there is a sequel in the works.

    Watching: I saw Bulbbul and have almost finished Pink. And then I’m going to watch the Eurovision Song Contest movie Kirre mentioned!

    Thinking: local and national name controversies are taking up much of my thoughts these days.

    Listening: Cleaning music. So basically no Classical.

    Movie to show everyone – Sholay is the movie my father would like the best, but if I’m going to go more recent – GULLY BOY. Largely for the scene of all the tourist walking through his house, Americans need to see that. Also the movie is translates well across cultures while still being thoroughly Indian.

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    • Oooo, Gully Boy is a great choice! For all the reasons you mentioned, a great intro movie, but also distinctly from an Indian point of view.

      If you need something light after Bulbbul and Pink (and who wouldn’t?), then the Eurovision movie is super fun, I just finished it myself. Highly recommended! Very light and happy.

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  6. I don’t know about universal, but a lot of people in my circle are into romcoms, so I’ve always gone with Humpty Sharma Ki Dulhania because it’s sweet and light and fun and just a great romance.

    I’ve been blazing through The Perfectionists by Sara Shepard. It’s super fun and campy. She also write the entire Pretty Little Liars series, and it’s REALLY similar except this series is only two books, so it’s not as drawn out.

    Still think about apartment stuff. Mostly am I doing it wrong. I’ve called a bunch of places to ask really tiny, dumb questions, and they almost immediately ask me for a move in date. We have a general time frame but not a specific date, and the last guy I talked to made me feel dumb. That could easily just be my anxious brain talking, but that’s my apartment update. It’s raining and thundering like crazy in NJ today, so I had to cancel some outdoor dining plans, which I’m bummed about.

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    • Keep the apartment updates coming! I love them!

      You aren’t doing anything dumb, you are doing research. Before you get your first apartment, you need a sense of the area and the market and stuff. They want to rush you to commit to moving in and having a date because they just want your money. Every time I have gone apartment hunting, I’ve seen at least 20 apartments. The first 10 or so are never right, they are just giving me an idea of what’s out there. And then it’s a matter of being really determined to find exactly what I want and narrowing down my choices.

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      • It took me a year to find the house we live in now because of my list of criteria: had to be within a price range that was below market, had to have a garage, had to be in a certain neighborhood. Was totally worth the wait but I looked at a lot of houses. Plus I had to balance hubby’s preferences and he’s persnickety.

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        • I had two months to find my current apartment (before my other lease went up) and I didn’t think I would make it, but it was so worth it to look at a million places until I found just the perfect one.

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  7. I’m not too sure about how universal K3G’s appeal is, either. I mean, it worked in getting those Germans interested that had any tendency towards the more epic style of early Karan Johar. But don’t make the mistake to think that everyone was suddenly a fan. It’s a pretty limited subset of Germans only who are still fans.

    I would therefore like to nominate my gateway drug, Main Hoon Na. Its masala approach has the advantage of offering something for many different audiences, while also introducing the concept of masala as such. At the same time, it is less old fashioned than the true classics of the genre. The Matrix spit is a shoutout to a successful western movie that is still well known. Plus, it has SRK, which I must admit has been a factor for the absolute majority of German fans I have met.

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    • Aha, but, counter-point, does Main Hoon Na rely too much on Masala films, and the Ramayana? Although, counter point to my own counter point, that also means it is a good gateway to get people interested in the larger world of Indian culture, so maybe putting in those outside influences is actually a good thing.

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      • I think you can follow the story just fine without knowing about the Ramayana. I wouldn’t suggest Om Shanti Om for first time viewers, even though I love it even more. But OSO is full of inside jokes to the point of relying on them. In MHN, they’re just that inkling of there being more to it that managed to draw at least this one person into the world of Hindi cinema.

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        • Yeah, I’ve had problems with Om Shanti Om and new viewers too.

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  8. Watched C/O Kancharapalem yesterday. Now I know why it got such good reviews. I kind of guessed the ending though. Having a large cast of non-actors made the movie even better.

    Need to watch Sillu Karupatti next. It is a Tamil anthology by Halitha Shameem.

    Choosing one movie is so difficult. But I had to I would show Thevar Magan. Odd choice but it has many elements that represent what is the reality in India and is a good movie as such. Plus power struggles are a universal theme so guess people can relate to it.

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      • If you like movies that depict people and their lives and nothing more, it is a must watch. One of the producers who also acted in the movie is a cardiologist in the US. If you end up watching there are certain aspects that I would want to pick your brains about.

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  9. My comment has nothing to do with the Fourth of July. I was just wondering if you’ve heard the news that Alia and Hrithik has been invited to join the Oscars. They will join Amitabh, Aamir, Priyanka. Salman, Irrfan, Aishwariya, Deepika, Shah Rukh, Madhuri. Naseeruddin, Anil, Tabu, and Anupam.

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    • I haven’t! That seems completely appropriate. Alia was in an Oscar submission film last year (I think? It was Gully Boy, wasn’t it?), and Hrithik had two big international successes last year. They are still low on non-Hindi members, but then the reality still is that Hindi film just has a bigger international reach than the other languages, and the Academy Awards are about international reach.

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      • I am jaded about Hollywood stars but if Hrithik shows up I’m pulling every string I can to see him. Let’s hope it’s not immediately followed by a restraining order. 😆

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        • Oh man, if Hrithik performs at the Oscars, that might get me to watch them for the first time in years.

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      • Serious question – Do you know how the Academy selects new actors? Are they watching their films or do they just look at their popularity and commercial success? I ask because Salman!!

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        • My understanding is that if you have been nominated in the past, you automatically become a member of the academy. And otherwise, you have to be put up for nomination by other members. However, the system got a massive overhaul in the past few years. In the “olden days”, it was a closed circuit. Powerful white men nominated films made by and for powerful white men, bringing in more powerful white men. And also nominating powerful white men who they liked. But the new Academy (after all the various anger and protests lately) is driving towards more inclusion, more people of color and more women. So they increased the number of total members allowed a whole lot, making space for a ton of new people, and the membership committees and stuff aggressively went after folks outside of the circle of “people who know people”.

          Forget Salman the actor, think about Salman the film industry power. He produced Bajrangi Bhaijaan. If I am a producer looking at producers I want to invite to join the Academy based on who has produced a nominated film in the past, or a film that was successful in America, that’s him.

          The Academy isn’t primarily made up of actors, it’s primarily made up of film industry folks behind the scenes. With the new directive to reaching out to completely unconnected people, Salman has a lot of reasons he might be more interesting than, say, Vicky Kaushal.

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  10. Watching: On the family road trip to Colorado so not watching anything tonight, and left off watching Vivah about half an hour before the end last night, so now I’m in suspense until we arrive and settle in. Vivah is what I started after I half slept through, half hate watched Andaz Apna Apna. Maybe I was just in the wrong mood, there were funny moments. Though I think it definitely breaks some of your romance rules, like the romance that starts as a trick?

    Also missing our one episode per night of High Fidelity on Hulu. I was a skeptic going in, but I’m liking it. (Margaret, does your music plot aversion overpower your love of a good rom com, or is High Fidelity an exception?)

    Reading: kind of loved this little comic and wanted to share. The art is beautiful. Pick your language and scroll down down down. https://karejwa.bakarmax.com/english.html

    I would show America maybe Chak De India! (feminism, strong acting, a different kind of patriotism, all packaged in a familiar sports narrative). But I haven’t seen Dangal, which seems like it would have similar appeal. On a lighter note, maybe Zindagi Na Milega Dobari or Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani, both really good ensemble rom coms/coming into adulthood, of the kind Hollywood has forgotten how to make.

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    • Yaaaaay, so glad you are doing the road trip! And so flattered that you are stopping in the middle to still comment on DCIB! Andaz Apna Apna is one of those comedies you have to watch at least twice to fully enjoy. The jokes build on the rhythm of you knowing what is coming. And the “trick” romance is fine for me in that one since it’s a mutual trick! Plus, clear that everyone enjoys spending time together fairly fast. Vivah, on the other hand, is a delight from the first watch.

      I have to admit I haven’t seen the original High Fidelity, so I feel like it would be cheating a bit to watch the TV show. But I will keep it in mind if you say it is good.

      Chak De! India is a great choice! But I think Dangal might tell the same kind of story slightly smoother. Chak De has those rough parts where they hadn’t quite figured out the interaction between the players, and Dangal gets that relationship just right. In the same way, I think I would say Yeh Jawaani over Zindagi. Zindagi is maybe a little too focused on the growing up and all of that, Yeh Jawaani has a nice mix of growing up and romance.

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      • I haven’t seen High Fidelity the movie for a long time, but the show is very different. They gender switched two of the main characters from male to female (lead played by Zoe Kravitz in the show, John Cusack in the movie; and the Jack Black character in the movie is reinvented by Da’Vine Joy Randolph in the show), while keeping the main plot of a hip but kind of lost record store owner tracking down her exes to figure out why she keeps ending up alone. While not quite seeing the potential of the sexy love interests right in front of her. It’s more a reimagining than a remake, and both based on the novel, I think you could watch them in any order without being unfaithful :). Recommended.

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  11. If anyone still wants some bundle of happiness then the National Theatre Live has on their YouTube channel A Midsummer Night’s Dream which is so feral, so happy, so homoerotic, so energetic and such fun that I have to recommend it here before it disappears.

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  12. I finally watched Bonus. It wasn’t bad but so predictable. The pratagonist is a rich guy who is against giving a bonus to employees. His grandfather tells him he wouldn’t survive even one month living as a simple worker. He leaves his rich house and finds a room in a poor neighborhood. Of course at the end he learns the lesson! The movie couldn’t end differently.

    Then I watched Bulbbul and it traumatized me. I can’t stop thinking about it.

    Listening: Still Sufna soundtrack. This week I’m in love with this song:

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    • Bulbbul is traumatizing, but good for it, right? It’s a terrible topic that should be traumatizing, if it is addressed at all.

      I just watched Axone, which is also slightly traumatizing, but in a less powerful way.

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  13. I think it would depend. If I am widely broadcasting a good Indian movie to thousands of individuals who may have never seen an Indian movie before but have preconcived notions on what a “bollywood” film is, then Chak De or Dangal. In my experiance, I have seen Indian sports movies, especially with strong female leads resonate more with an American audiance.

    On the other hand, if I wanted to find a movie buddy that I can watch Indian films with (aka the Angie approach) and then I would show them Jodha-Akbar and Khoobsoorat. If they like those movies, we can be movie buddies and likely also friends in real life.

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    • I like the idea of forcing everyone in America to watch Khoobsurat, and then following it up with “People of America! If you enjoyed this movie, please email me at …… We can be friends!”

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    • Oh yeah, Saroj was the Queen. Mentored by one of the first choreographers back in the 60s-70s, transitioned to doing her own stuff in the 80s and quickly became top in the business (especially for female star songs), and worked an extraordinarily long time.

      Also, sounds like, a somewhat difficult and demanding person. In a way that I think you kind of have to be in that role, she knew what she wanted her dancers to do and she would work them until they did it. no pleasant nice woman about it.

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  14. Sufiyum Sujatayum is now available on Prime. I was literally counting days and started watching as soon as I knew it’s on. Unfortunately I could watch only half because today I paint my bedroom and don’t have much time, but I can’t stop thinking about it. The actor who plays Sufi is so cute and reminds Unni Mukundan a little. I don’t know how the second half will be but for now it’s a perfect Angie movie (Aditi falls in love with Sufi when she sees him dancing and she also dances a lot in a beautiful spontaneous way )

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    • Report back when you finish it, I am worried about an unhappy ending.

      Oh, and you should watch Ramanten Edanthottam! Same hero I think.

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        • Oooo! you should still watch Ramante just because I think you would like the plot. This guy is cute though!

          Any word on a sad or happy ending yet?

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          • I finished the movie last night and in my opinion the ending is not sad.

            LITTLE SPOILERS:
            Aditi doesn’t end with her Sufi lover, but we know it right at the beginning. The movie starts with Sufi returning to the village after 10 years, and she is shown with her husband and child,so it’s clear their love story didn’t have a happy ending. But there are no honour killings or stuff, they just couldn’t be together.

            Unfortunately I didn’t like the second half as I liked the first. At the end the movie felt like somebody had some nice ideas but he put them without adding depth. So we have a Sufi and a mute hindu, but we only know they love each other , nothing else. What are they thinking or feeling is a mistery. This movie could be so good if they put a little more work in it. Still I’m very happy I watched it because when was the last time the protagonist was a kathak dancer? Or when we had a girl falling for a guy only because he was nice and knew how to sing and dance? Btw I don’t know who sings the Azans in the movie but it was absolutely amazing. I had the goosebumbs.

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          • Oh I am so glad you enjoyed it. Something to take the taste of Bulbbul out of your mouth. Still sounds slightly too bittersweet for me right now, but something to keep in mind for future.

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  15. I knocked off a couple of Netflix movies this week just because they were there. Forensic is my introduction to Tovino Thomas, a pretty standard procedural and one of these movies that make everyone think forensics is magic. I started watching on Friday night and there was a pretty scary scene with the young serial killer looking threateningly right into the camera, so as the kids say I noped on out of there and watched the rest in the morning. It’s actually not all that scary but it’s about a serial killer of children, so not terribly light watching either. The ending was a surprise, and they did a really good job of tying up loose ends.

    Then I saw Lift Boy, which is fatally flawed and really, really, really sentimental but actually kind of interesting. The flawed part is his older female mentor, who is the owner of the building where his father is a lift man and he fills in when his father is sick. I really wish she had been more of a full character instead of a magical wise rich old person. The interesting thing is that you think this movie will fall solidly into the “But I don’t want to be an engineer!” genre but it takes a hard turn and deals with what probably is the real worry for working class young men: that they will not have the ability to enter the education that their parents and others sacrificed so much for. The main character mentions that he’s not super into engineering, but most of the movie is about his efforts to get into engineering college, and how aware he is of his family and friends helping him, the catalyst of which is his working his father’s menial job. There’s an interesting foil of a rich girl whose mother wants her to be a Bollywood start when she just wants to have “a cause.” Except for the older woman the characters are interesting and varied.

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    • Thank you for confirming that Lift Boy is flawed! I saw the trailer (because Netflix forced me too) and it felt too sentimental and perfect. Looks like that was correct!

      Similarly, was not terribly keen on seeing Forensic since “catching a serial killer” is not the happiest genre in the world. Sounds like I can skip those.

      Have you seen Bulbbul yet? I can’t remember. That one is really really good. And I also watched Axone recently, which is also super good. So Netflix isn’t all terrible, that’s something.

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      • Bulbbul is definitely a movie for me, but I want to watch it in daylight. I’ve recently been hearing all kinds of good stuff about Axone so that’s on the list also.

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        • Oh I can’t wait for you to see Bulbbul! I hope you have a day off to see it in daylight soon.

          Axone was great, I’ll be reviewing it today or tomorrow, it’s not as much of a “This was made for Miss Braganza!” movie, more of a “this was made for people who are curious about the world and like having their points of view challenged” movie. So, also you, but not as uniquely you as “a movie starring Rahul Bose and Parambrata Chatterjee set in colonial era Bengal that deals with issues of feminism”.

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          • Bulbbul obviously came about because Anushka and Parambrata and Rahul love me and want me to be happy and I feel so ungrateful that I haven’t watched it yet. but I would like to sleep afterwards.

            I’ll spoil Lift Boy if you’re not going to watch it anyway: The older woman dies unexpectedly (to the people in the movie. The audience can see it coming down the highway). She leaves her luxury apartment to the Lift Boy’s family and they use her money to found a school. LB’s father still operates the lift for fun. LB and his friends and Rich Girl teach in the school. So, LB did his best to pay back his parents and become an engineer, but he doesn’t have to, and RG gets her cause and doesn’t have to be a Bollywood star.

            Oh, and he passes the exam but you probably didn’t need to be told. It’s just an interesting take and I wish the movie were better.

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          • It’s true, they do love you! And you throw their gifts back in their faces.

            Thanks for spoiling Lift Boy, that does feel kind of like a cheap ending maybe. I’m okay with a ridiculously happy ending, but if the rest of the film is set up for hard work and realistic struggle, feels a bit weak to just make it all perfect in the end. Bulbbul! So much better! Unrelenting misery, like life!

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