I’m back! And we are now done with Dharmendra. At least, as the leading character. Time to move him back to a supporting role and bring in some younger actors.
Usual Disclaimer: I don’t know these people, I have no special knowledge. This is just what is known based on commonly available sources. It may or may not be the “truth”.
Sunny Deol was born in 1956. He is slightly less than 21 years younger than his father. That’s a very unusual age gap for the film industry families, but a common one for the farming families and villages where Dharmendra came from. Sunny’s whole life kind of straddles that boundary between where Dharmendra came from and where he ended up.
Sunny was 4 before Dharmendra got his first film role. He was still a baby when Dharmendra left for the city to follow his dreams. He was 9 when Dharmendra’s affair with Meena Kumari was at its height. He was 16 when Meena died. He was 19 (or younger) when Hema and Dharmendra’s affair reached the publicly known and acknowledged point. He was 24 when his father remarried, 25 when his first half-sister was born. And he was 26 when he filmed his first movie, 28 when he got married, and 28 when he fell in love. With a woman who wasn’t his new wife.
It’s a stranger kind of life, to me, than Dharmendra’s. Dharmendra had a settled childhood, he knew who he was by the time he grew up. He was a village boy with morality and standards and rules for life that had never really left the village. He saw everyone as his friend, was humble and respectful to his elders, and judged not lest he be judged. And when he felt something was right, he did it, without concern for what others thought.
Sunny didn’t have that. He spent half his childhood in the village, with his traditional private mother, hidden away from fame. And then they moved to the city and he was thrown in with the filmi kids, children of the other stars, treading the line between his father’s world of fame and glamour and his mother’s home life of tradition and security.
Sunny never quite fit with those filmi kids. I say that because he doesn’t quite fit in now. I don’t hear about him in the childhood stories of the children of his father’s contemporaries. Maybe it is just an age thing? Sunny was born in 1956, the filmi kids around his age would have been Rishi Kapoor, Mohnish Behl, Sanjay Dutt. But their parents were a generation away from his father, Dharmendra was working and socializing with Amitabh Bachchan, Yash Chopra, Salim-Javed. Sunny was betwixt and between, too late an arrival to become friends with the older crowd of kids and too old to be friends with the younger.
It’s more than not having an age group to spend time with at parties, Abhishek and Saif and other star kids remember going on sets as babies, before they were old enough for school. And then spending school vacations on location shoots when they were young, playing with the older actors. By the time Dharmendra became a big enough star to schedule location shoots around his kids’ school breaks, Sunny was too old for school breaks. He grew up with a father in his life, but not a movie star father in his life, if that makes sense. And maybe that is why, to this day, he is a bit of an outsider in the film world. People are friendly with him, they know him, they work with him, but they don’t love him like you would expect for a film kid raised in the industry.
The media doesn’t love him either, which is why I have surprisingly little information to share about his personal life. Sunny was 26 when his first movie, Betaab, released. That is old for a star kid launch. Especially because I have minimal data about what he was doing before that. Was he in college, training as an assistant director in preparation for his launch, being a worthless spoiled brat until his father told him to shape up? No idea!
I’m also not sure when and where he met his wife. Sunny’s wife Pooja, according to most reports, is from London. Sunny has two sons with his wife, one of them (Karan) is supposed to be launched this year. But even as part of launching Karan, Sunny still has not talked about his personal life. I can’t even find a reliable age for Karan, which is pretty much basic information for a new young star. The closest I can find is a guess at 1990, and a brother Rajvir a few years younger. Kind of young for their son if Sunny and Pooja married in 1984 (as some accounts say).
Without further information, I am going to take a wild leap and say that this is how it looks to me. Sunny supposedly got married around the time he launched in his first film, at age 26. He had a son with her 6 years after the marriage, and another son a few years after that. And she has the occasional credit on his films, most recently with Yamla Pagla Deewana 2 she was credited as helping with the script. Dharmendra described her involvement as coming up with the idea and helping the official scriptwriter to flesh it out based on her knowledge of England. Karan on instagram posts some photos of him with his mother, she looks unglamorous and like any other mother. Based on all of this, my guess would be that Sunny has a marriage similar to his father’s marriage. They are good co-parents, they care for each other, they respect each other. But they never had the kind of bond that would make him want to share his film world with her, make her necessarily expect romantic fidelity from him. She lives at home and takes care of his children and has her own life, he goes out in the world and works and has his life. Again, this is a leap. I have no real data. I could be completely wrong. But this interpretation is what feels right to me.
Sunny has been married since the start of his career, but at the same time there have been stories of romances. Sunny keeps his personal life, his wife and sons and even his childhood, very very quiet. And he treats his romantic relationships outside of his marriage in the same way. It doesn’t feel like he is ashamed of them, more that they are private like everything else in his life and so he would prefer not to talk about them to the media. It’s an old-fashioned way of handling these affairs, it is how Raj Kapoor acted with Nargis, or Gemini Ganesan with Savitri. Their wife is their wife, their girlfriend is their girlfriend (and possibly eventually their second wife), and there is nothing really shameful there.
Plural marriage is still deeply embedded in Indian culture. NOT specific to any particular religion or region, most places through out India and most religions in India have a history of plural marriages. And part of that is an understanding of the role of “first wife”. Your first wife is someone you respect, the mother of your primary children, the beloved daughter-in-law of your parents and the female head of your household. And if you fall in love with someone young and pretty, that does not effect her position in any way. She is still “first wife” and always will be. We see that even in the Ramayana, Dasharatha’s favorite wife is Kaikeyi, Bharat’s mother and his second wife. But Ram’s mother Kausalya is his First Wife, she is the one whose son will be heir, and she is the head of the wives.
This isn’t to say that a “first wife” will accept additional marriages without hurt or without understanding. But it does mean that it is possible for her to feel that she has no right to that hurt, that society is telling her she has lost nothing so long as she still has her position in the household. And it means that it is also possible for a “first wife” to truly not feel hurt by her husband falling in love and spending time with other women, so long as he does not shame her or remove her place in the household. The same is true in any culture, “wife” is a public role as well as a private one, there can always be marriages where a woman or man does not care about the private concerns so long as the public remain the same. But in India, there is a social framework for that, the idea of the man falling in love many times after marriage while the first wife remains within her role, unchanged and unaffected.
And so we have Sunny. He married Pooja (or “Lynda” in some records) for whatever reasons he had, and then they mutually decided she would be tucked away in his home raising his children (sometimes it seems tucked away in England, half a world away from him) while he went into the world. In his first film, he was cast opposite Amrita Singh, young and beautiful and confident, and they started a relationship.
Sunny almost certainly had a relationship with Amrita, but not necessarily a terribly deep one. They were both young people in their first movie, play acting love onscreen and play acting love a little bit off screen as well. Supposedly it fell apart when Amrita found out about his wife. He had married Pooja in London and she still lived in London.
What is clear and generally accepted is that Sunny moved on from Amrita to Dimple Kapadia during the filming of their first movie together, Manzil Manzil. It was less than two years after his marriage, within months of the end of his brief relationship with Amrita. Dimple was 27, married for over a decade, with a daughter about to turn 13. She had a life as odd and confused as Sunny’s, raised as a nice girl daughter of a businessman, thrown into the film world as a teenager, married to a man twice her age after a whirlwind romance and then pushed into a life as a wife and mother of two before she was 20. And then returning to the film world to co-star with Sunny Deol, recently married and recently launched, part of but not part of the film world in a similar way as Dimple.
One small part of their relationship is the power dynamic needed for Dimple to be “safe” moving on from her husband Rajesh Khanna. Rajesh and Dimple never divorced, she was always and forever his “first” wife. Rajesh took a series of girlfriends, some of them live-in girlfriends, but it is a different thing for a woman to fall in love outside of her marriage (even a marriage that was currently dead). But Sunny is the son of Dharmendra. Dharmendra has at least as much power and respect in the industry as Rajesh Khanna. Dimple Kapadia can move on with Dharmendra’s son without fear of being excluded or shamed in the industry.
But mostly, I think they just fell in love. Again, this is based on almost nothing. Their relationship has never been publicly acknowledged, legally and officially Dimple was married to Rajesh until he died in 2012 and Sunny is married to Pooja. They have never lived together, they have never gone to events together, they have never even given interviews discussing their love. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Dimple is some one who learned early on the price of a public life, had to suffer through a “perfect” marriage that was not perfect at all, and finally broke free and rediscovered herself. Why would she risk losing control again by falling into another public relationship that would define her? And Sunny is someone who hates publicity, hates making his private life public. And who watched his father navigate a public second romance and marriage. Why would he choose a public romance when he can be just as happy with a private one?
At the time Dimple and Sunny got together, they were both at the peak of their careers. Sunny was young and powerful and had a kind of grinning grace to him. He was the hero of the younger generation, he had a series of films playing the cheerful innocent broken by life and coming back stronger than ever. He made an impact all on his own, without his father’s help, right from the start. And Dimple had returned from her exile sexier than ever, mature, intelligent, very different from the pretty young actresses in other films. That these two talented popular and very attractive people would come together was almost inevitable.
In 1995, 11 years after Sunny and Dimple were first rumored to be dating, Dharmendra launched Sunny’s brother Bobby in the same movie that served as a launch for Dimple’s daughter Twinkle. In 2006, 22 years after they were first rumored to be dating, Sunny’s co-star Amisha Patel was asked if Sunny was at her on-set birthday party, and she casually said no, of course not, because “Dimple Ma’am’s” birthday was the day before, so he had to be with her. In 2017, 33 years after their rumored relationship started, they were spotted by a fan sitting in a bus stop in London, casually holding hands.
Dimple and Sunny have been together now from 27 to 62, over half their lives. That’s remarkable. And in a strange way, admirable. At least, to me. Neither of them have compromised in love or in life. Dimple never wanted to be married again, and she wasn’t. Sunny wanted kids and a family, and he got that. And they also never wanted to stop loving each other, and they have that too, very quietly, without fame or fanfare, a love that doesn’t need a label, it just exists.
What else is there to say about Sunny? His own career chugged along in fits and starts through the early 2000s. His youthful energy kept up into the early 90s, and then he hardened into more of a seasoned tough guy hero. He had his biggest hits in the early 2000s, Gadar: Ek Prem Katha and Hero: Love Story of a Spy. But then the public took a turn away from him, towards younger action heroes (coincidentally, one of them being Dimple’s son-in-law Akshay), and he has floundered a bit in the years since. He’s still working, but his films aren’t really noticed as much as they used to be. Most recently he stood for election (BJP of course, almost all the film folk are), a dignified second career now that his acting years are more and more behind him. And he is about to launch his son Karan in the traditional Deol family way, one film produced for you and then you sink or swim on your own.
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Sunny has always been such a recluse so I am glad you wrote this. Also, did you see that Sunny launched Karan Kapadia in his film this year. Karan is Dimple’s nephew who she raised as a teenager. Apparently Karan’s mother was also Sunny’s stylist. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/karan-kapadia-my-aunt-dimple-is-my-best-friend-i-can-talk-to-her-about-anything/articleshow/69080191.cms. Sunny and Dimple’s relationship is fascinating to me. They have clearly been together for years and yet it is impressive that they have managed to keep it out of the spotlight this entire time.
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I forgot that Sunny launched Karan! My understanding is that Simple raised him as a single mother and Dimple greatly co-parented even before her death. I would imagine that Sunny was part of that co-parenting as well. That’s another fascinating part of the Sunny-Dimple relationship, I suspect he was a parental figure in the lives of her daughters along with her nephew, but that relationship is never public either. It’s this whole little mixed family existing in secret among very very famous people. Twinkle’s even written multiple autobiographical memoirs, lots of talk about her mother and husband and kids, no talk about her “stepfather”.
I also really wonder about his marriage. It took them 6 years to have kids and she was living in London at least part of that time. I wonder if they wanted a divorce but the family wouldn’t allow it? But then, they have stayed together and live together now, or at least she lives in the Bombay family house.
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Yeah, I think Simple raised him until she got sick around 2006 and then Dimple took over. I too wonder about Sunny and Lynda’s marriage. Here is my theory: It seems like they got married young, but she stayed in UK, while he started in film career in Mumbai. He met and fell in love with Dimple, but she had no interest in marriage or additional children. After dating for 4-5 years or so, they might have broken up for a little. He might have still wanted children, so he fathered his two children with his wife and then Dimple and Sunny got back together and have stayed together ever since. I am baseing my theory on very old interviews of Dimple, Twinkle and Amrita Singh. Dimple has said that she had no interest in getting married again. Twinkle had mentioned multiple times that her grandmother raised her and her sister because her mother was so young. And, I think Amrita spoke about how Dimple just wanted to be in a relationship with Sunny but had no interest in marriage or kids since she had already been there and done that.
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This all makes sense to me. It would make more sense if Lynda was treated as simply the mother of his children, rather than being integrated into his larger family, or if Lynda also had a career and other relationship, or if they got a divorce after the kids were born. But I guess that is where Indian society comes in, no divorce, no second husband for the wife, and the wife is treated as the daughter-in-law of the family even if her husband isn’t really around.
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“Plural marriage is still deeply embedded in Indian culture. NOT specific to any particular religion or region, most places through out India and most religions in India have a history of plural marriages.”
I think it’s important to mention that in the context of the Bombay based Hindi film industry (and society in general), this is all very “past tense” i.e. no-one IRL is going around marrying a second time without divorcing the first, nor is the first wife ok with one/ several extra marital affairs.
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Yes, that’s why I mentioned that there is a history of plural marriages, not necessarily a common practice now. But it is a recent history and it is still present. You inspired me to look up an NHS study, in 2006 it found on average 2% of all marriages in India were plural marriages. And that cuts across all religions. It is less common in the north and center of the country, and more common among adivasis and scheduled castes, but it is a practice in all regions and all major religions, just as I said. https://paa2010.princeton.edu/papers/100754
It may be unusual for an educated urban upper middle-class person to have two wives, but it would not have been unusual necessarily for their grandfather, nor would it be unusual for their servant. The same cannot be said for every society. And of course, it is not true that no one has a second wife currently. Dilip Kumar, Dharmendra, and Salim Khan all married second wives as recently as the 1980s, the same era I am discussing related to Sunny and Dimple beginning their affair.
As for if a first wife is okay with marital affairs, surely that is something that each woman can decide on her own? Again, as I said in the post, this is not limited to India, every woman and every marriage is different, there are woman for whom a husband having an affair may not matter. If Sunny’s wife is with him and raising his sons, and Sunny is clearly also with Dimple, who are we to say that this is not her choice?
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You’d be surprised what goes on behind closed doors. Way back in the 70s, my grandpa’s sister (my great aunt) married a very rich man. Things were good for the first few years and then he fell for his secretary. From the stories I’ve heard, her own family members encouraged her to stay with him regardless of who else he was with. This from a well off, fairly liberal and educated family. There is so much fear about what would happen to a divorced woman and how she would pass the rest of her life that sticking with the marriage is always encouraged. She apparently stayed with him briefly and then he said he wanted to move the secretary into his home but that she could stay as the wife. That was the limit for her and she divorced him. She never remarried and spent her life being a teacher in a girl’s boarding school. Her single status (she had no kids) was always a source of tension for the family. My grandpa, in his 80s, was wishing she would die before him because he was afraid there would be nobody to care for her after him.
(Btw, he married the secretary who then ran away with her boyfriend some time later after accomplishing her gold-digging plan. He got his just desserts.)
If these plural marriages exist, it’s because women don’t have a choice, not that they are accepting of it. There are a very small percent even today who would walk out and that number would be dramatically lower a few decades ago.
It makes me despise people like Dharmendra and Sunny.
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The plural marriages like Gayatri Devi and her husband fascinate me, because in that case (the very limited case of royal families) it seems like often the First Wife knew there would be a second wife. Both Gayatri’s husband, and PC Barua from the Calcutta film industry (just to take two random examples of pre-Independence royals) were married at a young age to older woman. The thinking being that they could get an heir quickly (just in case) and also have an older wise hand to run their household and guide them. And then, eventually, they would most likely marry someone else who was closer to their age. So a woman is going in to this marriage knowing she will always have the respect and power in the household, but will not have her husband’s love. I would say it is an interesting choice for her to make, but I am sure it was never her choice because marriage wouldn’t have been something under her control. But an interesting life to prepare yourself for, knowing you will most likely just be training a man to end up with another woman.
Divorce being the Worst Possible Thing has all kinds of ramifications, doesn’t it? Women staying in abusive marriages, staying with husbands who married a second time, continuing to protect and support addicts and criminals. Did you see Gully Boy? Remember when they go to his uncle’s house, which seems to be middle-class and pleasant, and yet his uncle’s attitude is “even if he is abusive, even if you hate him, even if he married a second time, you still can’t stay here because it is shameful to not be with your husband”?
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I did see Gully Boy but while shame might be one aspect, for many I think it’s just about being practical. Many times, the women don’t have their own income so there is no way to survive outside the marriage. Going back to the parents’ house is not an option simply because they can’t afford to care for another adult either especially as they inch into retirement.
Even for those with an income, the future can be very bleak. It is not easy for divorced women to remarry in India. Not even in today’s time. The film industry is not representative of the general population in this case.
If they have kids, at least the kids will care for them in their old age but if not, then who? Going into a nursing home requires money too.
Most women prefer to swallow their pride and stay in the marriage. They may not have a real relationship but they get to keep their respect in society, have a roof over their heads, have children, and live relatively peacefully if you ignore the emotional pain. After time, you might even become friends with the husband. That’s what Salman’s mother did when Salim brought in Helen. However, I doubt that was her ideal life plan when she first got married. Same goes for Dharmendra and Sunny’s wives accepting their long affairs/marriages.
On the other hand, I think Twinkle and Akshay have a modern open marriage and good for them if that makes them happy. Twinkle once wrote about Amelia Earhart’s letter to her husband where they decided on an open marriage where they could both “play” where they wanted to without restrictions. She thought it was beautiful. Based on the sheer number of rumors about Akshay’s womanizing with different women, I assume that is in play for them. But in their case, I’m guessing Twinkle gets the same freedom. But that’s very rare.
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It goes back to choice, doesn’t it? If you are staying in a marriage against what you would choose because of financial considerations, or social considerations, or anything else, it’s painful. But if those exact same issues arise and it is your choice to remain in the marriage, than it may not be painful.
It seems likely to be more extreme in India, because divorce rates are still lower and economic concerns are still so painful, but I know financial issues are a major reason women choose to stay in bad marriages worldwide. Especially if the only “job” you expected or trained for was “Wife”.
I also would not be surprised at an open marriage for Twinkle and Akshay. And a semi-open marriage for Ajay and Kajol, that is, she has no interest in being with anyone else but doesn’t care if he does whatever with whoever. I know a couple couples like that, one desires multiple relationships and the other doesn’t, and it works for them. So long as they talk it out and are honest about their feelings and so on and so forth, like any other part of a relaitonship.
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Agree completely about Ajay and Kajol. In spite of the chemistry she creates on screen, I always get an asexual kind of vibe from her. I think she has no interest in other men, maybe not even in Ajay in that way, so she is perfectly fine with whatever he wants to do outside the house. As long as he comes home at night and cares for the kids and is there emotionally for her, that’s all that matters. She seems happy with whatever she has chosen so that’s fine. There are all different types of relationships in the world and if it works for them, then it’s okay.
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And he seems happy too. I don’t get the sense that he is passionately in love with these other women and forcing himself back to his wife and kids. I think he loves Kajol and loves his kids and loves his life. And if he has a sex life outside of marriage with his wife’s knowledge and consent, that is just a bonus.
There’s also the flipside. If I am an ambitious young woman who also has a healthy sexual appetite, than having a 6 week thing with Ajay or Akshay or one of the other super sexy older married men is a great way to get my needs met without needing to slow down for marriage.
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Commenting on the Ajay/Kajol, Askhay/Twinkle marriage comments but for some reason this is the only place wordpress will let me reply. So, not sure which order it will show up on the website.
I can completely see Ajay/Kajol having a semi-open marriage whereby as long as Ajay doesn’t bring it home and they are mainly short-term flings, Kajol doesn’t care.
On the other hand, I am fascinated with Akshay/Twinkle marriage. It has been consistantly portrayed, before and after marriage, that Akshay is a womanizer and possibly also crossing the line into sexual harrassment and pressuring/manipulating women into sexual favors. Even as recently as last year, Aditi Rao Hydari’s tweet saying “Slow clap for the dizzying heights of hypocrisy… People who are clearly guilty of major harassment giving gyaan on the #MeTooIndia movement…” was supposedly about Akshay. I even remember an old interview of Akshay’s where he said something along the lines of he doesn’t have any bad habits (i.e., he doesn’t smoke or drink) besides women.
But I wonder how open their marriage is. For example, I remember there were multiple accounts of a huge fight between Akshay and Twinkle in the lobby of a resort in goa in 2004 regarding his affair with Priyanka Chopra. And all of a sudden he refused to do any movies with her for a while. It didn’t seem like Twinkle was okay with at least Priyanka.
Twinkle also seems very different from Kajol. While Kajol seems outspoken, based on her interviews, she still considers herself to be very traditional and looks to Ajay as the man of the house and herself as a dutiful wife, daughter-in-law etc. But Twinkle, at least based on her blog and interviews, does not seem to give the same vibe.
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What I could see happening with Priyanka and Akshay, or Ajay and Kangana, is that the relationship started to break the “rules” set out for their marriage. It is one thing to have a no strings attached sexual fling while on location, it’s something else when the other woman starts to act like there is a relationship between you. I don’t remember the PC-Akshay stuff that well, but I remember with Kangana-Ajay she was pretty openly saying they had a relationship, and then all of a sudden Ajay stopped working with her. And then a little bit later, they were on the same plane together and Kajol made a point of going over to Kangana and greeting her in a friendly way. To me it read like Kangana started threatening Ajay’s marriage and he cut things off immediately, but Kajol was a savvy enough player (and really had no hurt feelings) that she was sure to make nice with her afterwards and show there was no shame or guilt on their side.
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Couple of points –
1. “It may be unusual for an educated urban upper middle-class person to have two wives, but it would not have been unusual necessarily for their grandfather, nor would it be unusual for their servant.” Yes, it’s possible, but it definitely would be unusual.
2. I was more talking about the younger generation of actors, say 90s & beyond. It has also become almost socially unacceptable to take a second wife openly.
3. I wasn’t talking about the first wife’s choice at all, but now that you bring it up I have three words for you- Conditioning, conditioning, conditioning.
I hope you realize that the reason I am trying to make you see my point of view is that there is the danger of the Western writer depicting India, to her largely Western readers, as this exotic land where “normal” (Western) marital and social rules don’t apply.
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There is also a danger for a reader to assume I am being insulting or insensitive merely because I am Western without considering what I am actually saying.
To say that India has different marriage practices, or other differences from Western society, is not an insult. Western society is one of many places, and you can differ from how the West does things without being “worse” than the West. That is what I believe and I will do the courtesy to assume that my readers are intelligent enough to understand that when I talk about plural marriages I am not judging the practice as good or bad, merely stating it exists. There is a reason I selected Gayatri Devi as an example and pointed to her friendship with the Kennedys and her political power.
And I am not a Westerner writing for a Western audience. Over half my readers are located in South Asia. And for the ones who are outside of South Asia, I believe a large number of them are also of Indian heritage. And I would like to think that is because I approach the topic with an open humanist feeling rather than limiting people by ethnicity.
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Gayatri Joshi??
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Fixed, thanks. I was just talking about Swades on another thread and it must have stuck in my mind.
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You touched briefly on sunnys film career.
Bt you could have touched more on important portions of his career.
1. Darr and his role getting cut.
Srk getting all sympathies. Sunny had a fall out with yrf and in extension the whole industry due to it
2.his directorial dillagi which was a rage back in the day due to bobby and his cute looks.
3. Damini ghayal border 3 of the top hindi films of all times.
4. Fire and reach of gadar.
It is the top grossing film of all time adjusted for ticket rates and inflation.could have easily scored over 1000 crs in current terms.It has the highest footfalls of any films more than ddlj and sholay by some accounts.
Also lagaan and gadar released on same day and night classics and among top 10 movies of all times.
5. Dharmendra and sunnys mad followings in punjab wjere they r demi gods.
6. Re invention of deol brand thru apne/yamla pagla deewana. The 2 follow ups ypd were terrible bt 1st one was a superhit.
7.his shy persona and private life and no networking went terribly against him.
He was not able to break his action image ever.
I feel there could be a good follow up article covering these points now that his personal life has been taken care off.
I felt you may have sold a stalwart if industry short by just glancing through his professional life.
I am sorrt for this long post and apologise if I said anything that hurt.
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Thank you! That was super helpful, filling in the gaps. I’m not done with the Deol family yet, I’ve still got Bobby and Abhay and Esha to work through. I’ll have to think about whether I have enough to say on Sunny’s career for a whole post for himself, or if I fold it into Bobby’s post.
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