Saturday Small Talk: Chat Away While I Rest My Back!

Happy Saturday!!! I am going to do my Saturday morning watchalong (yaaaaaaay!!!), and otherwise be lazy.

My back! Remember I mentioned it was hurting on Wednesday? Still hurting! I’ve done hot baths, and ice packs, and all kinds of things. And what has the most long term effect is laying flat on the floor. SO BORING!!!! Anyway, today I am supposed to get this terrifying roller foam thing that hopefully will be a magic fix 30 second fix so I can go back to my furniture moving project.

Okay, other things to talk about! Along with giving me helpful back tips!

It’s Helen’s birthday! WOOOO!!!!! What is your favorite Helen moment? Why do you love her? Why do you not love her (if so, you are WRONG)? Do you know who Helen is/have any Helen discussion questions?

And the BEST part of an item song is... - Rediff.com movies

There are new ’83 release rumors! At this point, is anyone in the DCIB community still interested in this film? I was vaguely interested when it was first announced if only because I liked Ranveer’s mustache. But it’s been YEARS!!!! I am so tired of hearing about this stupid film.

83: Ranveer Singh and Deepika Padukone's first look as Kapil Dev and Romi  Dev is winning the internet | Hindi Movie News - Times of India

Okay, talk amongst yourself, I’m going back to laying on the floor. And also, WATCHALONG!!!

26 thoughts on “Saturday Small Talk: Chat Away While I Rest My Back!

  1. Went to see TOVE movie with my parents yesterday. Such a good movie about Tove Jansson! She created the beloved Moomins and was either gay/bi. She was Swedish speaking Finn, hence the Swedish spoken in the Finnish way in the film. Highly recommend if it comes to a theatre or some streaming service in the future! A little sad at times, but not depressing at any moment.

    Fav Helen song:

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  2. I get the sense that Deepika doesn’t seem to care a lot about films now,not even in a behind the screen way like Anushka.She should focus on films for herself like Chapaak,she is way more talented than just being a supportive love interest(or committing suicide in SLBverse)in so many films in her rumoured lineup.
    When you first started watching Hindi films,were you able to understand all the cultural allusions?Did they surprise you,or did the films make sense even without that knowledge?I tried to watch some Bengali films,and while Satyajit Ray’s films were pretty universal in their ‘modern’-ness,probably even easier to grasp than some Hindi films,the more traditional Bengali films felt extremely confusing even with subtitles.

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    • I agree with your sense of Deepika. I would love for her to switch to being an actress first, not a star. I think she could be really interesting if she only did movies like Piku, small films with off beat parts, instead of all the stress of being a Star.

      I was not able to understand the cultural allusions at all, there was so much that was confusing to me. The nice thing about Hindi films is that they are so emotional and spectacle based, you can enjoy large parts of them without understanding everything. So, like, in K3G all the stuff about the oldest son versus the youngest son roles, and the allusions to the Ramayana, and all of that was just over my head the first time I saw it. But I could still enjoy “Shava Shava”.

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  3. I love Helen. She was a good dancer, she found a niche for herself in an industry that didn’t have room for someone with her ethnic background, and that as a single woman. Amazing eye for costume and make up, too, and a wonderful sense of humour and fun.

    My favourite is Muhje Maar Daalo from Geeta Mera Naam because I mean:

    https://einthusan.tv/movie-clip/watch/music-video/none/4pEQfxV6GS/?lang=hindi

    Although I also love Yeh Mera Dil, of course. In my mind, perfect use of song as narrative.

    In the wake of Cats you saw a lot of handwringing among Western critics about musicals and how to make sure the audience knows what songs are diagetic and which songs aren’t because it is suuuuuuuuuper important that that is really clear, and whether diagetic songs are somehow inferior to metaphorical songs. It’s a really stupid way of talking about it, because Hindi cinema puts songs in both those areas at once all the time and it just makes for compelling visual storytelling. I feel like every Western film student should be forced to analyse Yeh Mera Dil for that reason.

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      • Yeah, same. I’ve seen so many sports movies over the past 5 years, I just can’t imagine they will come up with anything new.

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    • Disney princess songs would give those critics nightmares.
      I read on some Hindi music blog about diegetic music being integral to Hindi cinema,or even Indian cinema,because music in India progressed from folk artists and public performers instead of individual performers.The biggest examples are mujra and qawwali mehfil songs.
      It was in reference to a song in Pakeezah where the heroine danced barefoot on broken glass and the musicians continued playing.Diegesis gone a bit too literal.

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      • They’re alright with it in animation, but live action, no! Someone should tell them that just because they’re more used to it, doesn’t make it better.

        The dancing barefoot on broken glass/something else painful thing is a trope, right? I’ve seen it a lot, and always wonder if it’s from a religious text or folk tale.

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        • The only cultural allusion I can think of is some southern dance styles creating patterns on floor with dry colours(not blood)while dancing,but in north India I don’t think it has any association.Maybe foot fetish,but it was popularised by Pakeezah(and continued in Sholay to show Basanti’defiance to a symbolic molestation)and didn’t have a previous precedent of someone going gaga over feet.Delicate feet oozing out blood,some perverted sensuality.

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    • Diegetic versus non-diegetic drove me crazy when I started with Hindi films. And then I just relaxed and let it go. Something really did happen, but it wasn’t the big elaborate song and dance we saw in the film, but it FELT like an elaborate song and dance to the characters.

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    • It’s a film, for goodness’ sake. None of it is “really” happening anyways. I’m really glad I only learned what a diegetic song is after getting into Hindi cinema.

      I’ve always paid attention to song lyrics in real life, so I attach meaning to what song is playing while I’m dancing with someone. (That’s also why the MDK medley speaks to me the way it does. It’s basically that situation put on screen.) I think that also plays into my general perception of music in films.

      And I agree that Yeh Mera Dil is special for the way it makes Helen into a memorable character with basically just that one scene. I’ve extolled the virtues of the modern version recently, but most of them apply to the original, too. So yeah, Yeh Mera Dil is my favorite Helen song.

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      • I think the remake version is also very good, but I prefer the original because Helen is so good at acting through dancing. Kareena does pretty well at it, too, but not on the same level I think. I think you’re spot on that that song builds basically the whole character. And then that character goes through a plot point and a bunch of character development in the song, too, and to convey that through dancing is so great.

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  4. See, I think many people are still interested in 83 and other films, but they are just not getting excited over release announcements because they know it can change at any moment because COVID.

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  5. Here’s my favorite back stretch, that I do every night, and might totally not work for you because everyone has their own back with its own issues. Lie flat on the floor (check!). Extend your hands above your head so you’re as long as you can be. Stretch. (And the key is to relax into each stretch. If your back is out of whack, It’s already tensed up and forcing a stretch won’t do you any good.) Bring one knee up to your chest and hug it, then straighten that leg up so it’s pointing at the ceiling and you get a good hamstring stretch. (If any of this hurts your back, don’t do it. Be gentle but keep trying the next day until you get your mobility back.) Lower that straight leg until it’s flat on the floor again. Extend your arms so you’re making a cross. Bend your other knee up and bring it sideways over your straight leg until your bent knee is touching the floor or at least thinking about it. The hip of your bent leg will come off the floor as you roll that leg over, but try to keep your shoulder blade on the ground, and stretch that arm in the opposite direction as far as you can, turning your head to look in the same direction as your outstretched arm. Relax into this stretch as much as you can, then repeat on the other side.

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    • I tried this stretch last night, and I really liked it! Got at the muscles along the side really nicely.

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        • Thank you! Biggest help is definitely sleeping on a bedroom on the floor. I am remembering Swades where Shahrukh talks about how comfy he is sleeping on the rope cot instead of a mattress 🙂

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          • Yes, sometimes you need to change up your sleeping place and/or pillow for a while until your vertebrae realign themselves. Which does happen best during sleep. And sometimes stretching right as you wake up when your body is still relaxed. I also find my back is trickier when I’m about to get my period, for what it’s worth. I sometimes have to take it easy for a couple of days and not lift heavy objects or wrestle with rascally young boys.

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  6. Not happy that you’ve back problems…I know there are exercises for them (without and with things you’ve to buy 😉 )
    It’s not something special to have back problems from time to time…there are muscles along the spine that react to any kind of physical or emotional challenges.
    There are some things I do to counter pains… stretching like a cat in bed the morning before I leave bed with really enjoying it…or just – behing upright – running my fingers slowly descending my legs as far as I could (after the third or fourth time till my feet) while bending forward and then do the inverse mouvement with the fingers climbing and then by bending the back slowly back with my hands on the hips…and, well, I talk to my body and I tell him that I understand that he isn’t always comfortable with what I’m doing/feeling/thinking but that, nevertheless, I wish for his support… and bingo! It always works 🙂 (at 72! – with an experience of decades)…
    I remember when we renovated the house (I just had discovered ShahRukh), I did work VERY challenging to my back, but all the while I did it I listened to songs from ShahRukh movies…okay, I noticed the pain BUT it didn’t affect me and I never ever had pain when having finished the work…miraculous…well…my mind of the kid believes in miracles 🙂

    Thanks for the Dear Zindagi viewing and the comments…and how was your Dad’s birhtday???

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  7. I like neither Ranveer nor cricket so 83 was always going to be a pass for me. I’m dying for some movies to release that are not tailored towards middle-aged men.

    In other news, SRK and Gauri have done a joint interview for the UK’s Sunday Times. Unfortunately, it’s behind a pay wall. It’s a long shot but if anyone here is from the UK and has a subscription, I’d be grateful if they could cut and paste it for us.
    Here’s the link:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/home/shah-rukh-and-gauri-khan-interview-at-home-with-bollywood-royalty-69s37xj62

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    • Oooo! That’s exciting! But maybe just a puff piece? Only because Gauri is so cautious with interviews. I don’t think a joint interview could ever be that deep.

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      • Oh yeah, I don’t expect anything deep but SRK hasn’t given any interviews to the Indian media for years now so this is better than nothing. But everything is behind pay walls these days unfortunately.

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