Wednesday Watching Post: What Are You Watching and Thinking and Reading and Listening To the Day Before Thanksgiving?

Happy Wednesday!  And, if you are in America, Happy Last Workday of the Week!!!!  Now, let’s have a little pleasant chit chat before taking off to stay up until 2am making pies (that’s how everyone spends the night before Thanksgiving, right?  Not just my family?  Stupid apples that take forever to peel).

I’ll start!

Watching: I finally started The Good Place!  What a brilliant meta-commentary on sitcoms/philosophical discussion of ethics and the human condition.  Also, how did Ted Danson start as a perfect sitcom actor and then just keep getting better and better through out his life until he is now somehow perfect squared?

Thinking: While rearranging furniture over the next few days, do I move the insanely heavy desk all the way across the room to where I want it?  Or do I move it slightly to a better but still not perfect position?  Or do I actually ask for help from someone to move the desk 30 feet?  Nah, never that, asking for help is the WORST!

Reading: Archie Comics!  My intellect is at a low ebb.

Listening: Well, I’ve started my annual Christmas music binge.  But I also had a sudden urge and listened to “Bakhuda Tumhi Ho”.

 

Now, question for you!

 

Kind of a lame simple question, but like I said, my brain is at Archie Comic Book level right now: What TV Sitcom do you most want to see remade as an Indian film?

Just at random, How I Met Your Mother.  So I can fix the ending (SO STUPID!).  And also so I can cast Ranveer Singh as Barney, but with a much better ending (again, SO STUPID).

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41 thoughts on “Wednesday Watching Post: What Are You Watching and Thinking and Reading and Listening To the Day Before Thanksgiving?

  1. I watched this today. Wonderful conversation that reinforces what we know- Karan Johar is a shrewd business man beneath all that glitz & glamour. I am not entirely buying his praise for South films because he knows who the target audience for this interview is.Still it’s a great piece if one wants to know the economics of films and get a general picture of Indian films as they are now.

    I would love to see Person of Interest remade as a multipart movie cos it’s just a wonderful series.But I don’t know if it can be pulled off in an Indian setting cos survellience and privacy issues are still not a mainstream concern here. Maybe in 10-15 years.

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      • I don’t know if Zindagi would even work if it were shorter. You really need that build of seeing his family and her family and how they made them who they are. Maybe if it started in present day and college was a quick flashback? Like, opening is them meeting up again after they are both in the civil service, then flashback, then forward and he decides to propose and proposes right before the interval? And then the second half would be her coming around to the marriage, then their awkward marriage courtship until they finally reach full love and trust? And her mother would HAVE to be played by Jaya, but I have no opinions on any other casting.

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        • Nooooo Jaya Bacchan. She’s way too pretentious these days to pull such a beautiful role. I would prefer Waheeda Rahman or Neetu Kapoor. But it doesn’t have to be a Hindi remake. Jayasudha(u saw her in Chekka Chivantha Vaanam)would make a wonderful Kashaf’s mom.

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          • Jayasudhu would be perfect!!!! And if we were going southern, then there are so many wonderful actresses to play Kashaf. Parvathy would be perfect, except she might be too old now.

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          • I think I already told u my dream cast for south ZGH -Sai Pallavi(the pimples, hair and voice is spot on) & Vijay D.Or Nithya Menen-but she’s little too pretty to be Kashaf.

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    • Well, you almost made me late for work because I got so interested in the Karan interview! I was really interested in his discussion of Hollywood versus Hindi versus Telugu industry working styles, and how hard it is for outsiders to break in. Partly because it matched exactly with what I have always claimed was the case 🙂

      But I was also a little frustrated with his lack of awareness, in one breath he talks about how Hollywood has these “event” pictures at a rate of 8 a year but most of them don’t make back their profit margin, it’s a rare film that actually does well. And then he talks about how Dharma is moving heavily into the “event” area. But, you JUST SAID that it’s not a feasible business plan! Maybe he didn’t complete the thought, explain that Dharma is building in an expectation of losses for 75% of the films and a big gain for 25%.

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      • So interesting. “I’m not going to Amitabh sir with an 80 page contract. He is like a member of my family, he is a father figure. I send him a letter that says thank you very much for coming on board, love Karan, and that is my contract.”

        I was struck by how his decades of experience come through, but he’s not that old! He started so young, plus growing up in his father’s business, that he sounds like an industry elder – really he *is* an industry elder at this point (and props to Rana for cultivating a strong connection, smart) – and he’s a few years away from 50 yet.

        This just saved me for all the cooking tomorrow. My husband decided we needed to watch Toro tonight, which was good but v bloody. I needed something else for my brain to chew on before bed.

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        • Karan’s memoir was fascinating for giving a glimpse of the starts and stops of all those decades of experience. His first few films, starting back when he gave up school in France to assist on DDLJ, are crystal clear to him, he remembers every moment and all the lessons he learned. And then everything after K3G kind of blurs together, you can see how he is starting to put those lessons into action, doing everything for the second time instead of the first, and it isn’t as clear. And that’s just at age 30! Younger than I am now, and he had already done most things once.

          Oh, one thing he says in the memoir, and I heard him mention in other interviews before that, and felt kind of in the background here, is that Kaal was his first big flop and he learned a lot from it. Mostly he learned never to try something he didn’t fully understand, he thought he could produce a horror movie just by hiring someone who seemed to know what he was doing, but he couldn’t. He also learned that he was a master marketer from that, he saw that Kaal wasn’t going to sell when he watched the first cut, and roped in Shahrukh at the absolute last minute to do an item song just to make back the losses, and it worked.

          That’s what I was thinking of when he was talking about how careful he is when choosing what movie to “present” by Dharma instead of produce by it, and how he sees himself and simply helping with the marketing of them, and that’s it.

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  2. I watched Pariyerum Perumal, and it was very good, but I wasn’t blown away. Kathir was great. I love this man. Music was good, and music videos were original and interesting, the story was good, I appreciate it all. But why the only female character was so dumb?! I haven’t seen the girl so stupid in a movie like for ages. I can understand if it would be just another “superstar beats the bad guys and attracts women” masala crap, but this movie is supposed to be different, more real. And it is, but in the middle we have the heroine who doesn’t know the caste exsist in India.

    Listening: This on repeat

    Thinking: Einthusian: why you disappoint me so much lately? I was waiting for weeks for Laila Majnu to appear on einthusian. Today I discovered it has been added 1 week ago, but for some reason there wasn’t any information on the main page. And the worst thing is – there are no subtitles! And Tholi Prema, and Geetha Govindam and Shaadi Mein Zaroor Aana are without subtitles too. Like every movie I really want to watch lacks subs 😦

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    • I’ve noticed the same thing with Einthusan!!!! I am pretty sure they use DVD copies, and I think DVDs are just getting less and less common and worse and worse quality (no subtitles).

      Right now I am obsessively looking for Teefa in Trouble and becoming increasingly sure that it is just not going to be available besides in theaters. I am sure there is some kind of satellite deal for Pakistani TV, and maybe a Pakistan-only DVD or streaming deal, but none of the Indian outlets are carrying it, and none of the international either, and it doesn’t look like it will get a DVD release either.

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      • I thought they copy movies when they are in tv. Like with Shaadi Mein Zaroor Aana. I read it will be in tv and 2 days later it was on einthusian without subs. And many movies appear day after they are on Netflix or Prime.Talking about Prime, is american version so bad with showing new movies like the italian one? There is recently added category but it shows only movies added weeks ago, and new additions are hidden. Sometimes I like it because it’s like treasure hunt, but I don’t understand why hide it. Yesterday, by chance I discovered they added a lot of hindi movies, the big ones like K3G, DDLJ, HAHK, KANK, Ae Dil Hai Mushkil, Baar Baar Dekho, Humpty Sharma, Befikre, even old Agneepath. And what made me more happy: Raabta and Hamari Adhuri Kahani. I started Hamari Adhuri Kahani immediately and just in the second scene I was crying. Love this movie 😀

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        • Prime is terrible here too! Not just with Indian stuff either. The way they show TV shows is infuriating, they split up the seasons so it takes 3-4 times as long to scroll through a list because you have a separate listing for each season. And the seasons aren’t connected to each other, it’s really hard to get from one season to another, you have to search for each individually.

          I think every system is bad at showing the new releases, I am sure there is some sort of marketing advantage for them, maybe the “recently added” is where they throw things after they have proved their popularity. And every system is trying to push their own content versus the purchased content, I am sick of the Love By Square Foot ads on Netflix, and the ten million TV shows Hotstar wants me to watch.

          Sounds like YRF and Dharma are solidifying their Prime deal. Which means the battle I predicted years ago is still coming, at some point every single SRK film will be on Netflix EXCEPT his big YRF/Dharma ones.

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          • But at least Netflix tell you in advance about the most interesting movies coming (they warned me about Bucket List and Barfi), and their searching engine is better and intuitive. Prime is terrible when it comes to search the titles. One error (and it’s very easy to make a mistake in indian names and titles) and its won’t find it.

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          • Netflix doesn’t warn me! I don’t know why, but all my emails from them are about TV shows and stuff, nothing about Indian films.

            I know what you mean about Amazon, what really bothers me is that their results no longer show up consistently on Google. Sometimes I can search a title there and it will give me an alert it is on Amazon, sometimes there is no alert but it’s actually on Amazon and I just have to search a second time.

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    • I am yet to watch PP
      but this review says that:

      What is a love story for one, is a struggle for survival for another.

      As Perumaal repeats many times in the movie, his relationship with Jo is not about love. It represents everything in the world that is good and beautiful that is denied to him because of his caste, including his bond with his beloved dog, Karrupie.

      https://chittz.wordpress.com/2018/11/05/on-pariyerum-perumal/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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  3. I’m so glad you’re enjoying The Good Place!

    I watched Kai Po Che for the first time this weekend and it was pretty good. It wasn’t an amazing movie but it was a nice watch. I liked the songs, especially Shubharambh.

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    • I’ve been curious about Kai Po Che mostly because the three stars have gone on to such interesting things. Not knowing anything about what happened to their careers afterwards, which of the 3 would you have picked out as the most promising actor?

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      • Hmm, that’s a tough question because I felt like all three of them did equally well.

        Rajkummar is the only one to have a romance in the movie but his character is understated compared to the other two. His character was the more of the shy and quite type.

        Sushant’s role is more hero-like so I can see why he got bigger offers after this compared to the other two.

        Amit Sadh was good too but I would have expected that he would go on to play a supporting role or villain in his future movies if I didn’t see him in any thing else.

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        • Amit Sadh has such an interesting face. I remember seeing him in promos for this and thinking he looked kind of average and uninteresting, a good face for a supporting actor. And then when he had a lead role in Running Shaadi, suddenly he seemed really really attractive. And then in Gold, he changed again into a sort of determined wholesome but not handsome look. I know in “real life” he has worked as a model, so I think in reality he is probably extremely handsome, but depending on the role he is somehow able to make us think he is average or even ugly if the role requires it.

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    • Thanks for the link! Yep, I’d heard those stories. But just to be fair, the film press from that era was pretty much garbage. So I wouldn’t necessarily believe all the little details of it. Definitely he beat the heck out of her, enough that it was a scandal and everyone knew/knows about it. The rest of the story, his wife joining in and him just using her for the movie and so on, I wouldn’t necessarily believe 100%.

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      • I read another old article on this site too about Saif, Akshay and Sunil Shetty. It’s from 1994 and they were the hottests stars at that moment. I find it interesting, because I can see how good in business Sunil was from the beginning, and I’m not surprised he owns so many restaurants, boutiques and stuff now. Other interesting thing was that all of them were asked about SRK, and all answered alike, that he is very talented, is there to stay and that he has guts to be so selective at the beginning of his career.

        https://tanqeed.com/blast-from-the-past-akshay-saif-and-sunil-shettys-interview-from-1994/

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        • Thank you! the most interesting thing I found was the mere fact that they were all asked about SRK. I think they were asked about Aamir and Salman too, and the tone was “Aamir and Salman are the longrunning reliable stars, what do you think of this new kid?” That was 1994, DDLJ hadn’t come out yet, he’d only been acting for 2 years, and he was already the scary dangerous new kid in town who could take them all out. Very similar to Vicky/Ayushmann/Rajkummar now.

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  4. I have been reading, watching, and thinking pretty much nothing except about this presentation I have this weekend which happens to coincide with a major assignment I have to grade as well as a bunch of midterm administrative duties. But I had to come on to tell you: if you can lift one leg of a heavy piece of furniture, and if you don’t have, like, shag carpeting or something, you can lift each leg separately, put it on a towel, and slide it across the room. Just a little wisdom gleaned from 20 years of living as a single woman.

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    • Oh, and I don’t really have a concrete sitcom suggestion, but I’d really like a Hindi movie with the feel of a workplace sitcom. Something set at a hospital or newspaper which explores the different characters who work there. The only thing like it I can find is Rocket Singh, which focuses on a single person, but still has the feel of a lot of different people being equally important.

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      • The best I can think of for that kind of film is Dus. Which is deeply deeply stupid in a wonderful way. But also somehow nails the police procedure feel, a team of people working together each with their own equally important stories.

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    • Thank you!!!!! I will have to consider this deeply. I now have all the paperback books I own in a big pile on the dining room table (step one), now I need to move the shelves around and reshelve the books (step 2), and then I will be ready to attempt moving the desk. Such fun!

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  5. I watched Delhi-6 because filmlibrarian mentioned it on Monday, and all the Ram Leela references combined with the Ramayan and Mahabarat 101 posts, I’m dying to pick apart how the characters line up with their godly equivalents. Abhishek is Ram, obviously, but then Sonam is Sita? and Raavan is…the arranged marriage? Lanka = Indian Idol? And what about the black monkey? It’s our destructive impulses but then there’s also a Hanuman parallel? So many questions!

    How about Northern Exposure as a Hindi movie? Promising medical graduate moves somewhere remote and inhospitable and learns some humility from the colorful locals.

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    • As I see Delhi-6, if we are doing a Ramayan comparison, Abhishek is Ram, yes. India/the neighborhood is Lanka. Everything that is good about India (mostly the trapped women, from Sonam to the poor bride in Purdah to the sister next door who was never married because of her brother’s feud) is Sita. Abhishek has to slowly break down all those barriers and destroy everything that is wrong in order to save what is good. And the whole neighborhood has to go through a trial by fire to come out the other side pure.

      Here’s the really interesting bit of moral philosophy. In the first version of the film, Abhishek dies. The audience hated it though, so they changed it. But, in Christian storytelling tradition, the hero often dies one way or another. Sacrifices himself for our sins, to teach us a better way. But in Hindu storytelling tradition, the hero doesn’t die, he triumphs and goes on living to serve the people. For me, the film would make far more sense and be better as a whole if Abhishek died at the end. But maybe that is just because I am coming at it from a Christian tradition.

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      • I watched this yesterday and I enjoyed a lot of it but it was tonally odd or maybe it was the filmmaking style. Like they had all these art house touches with the shakey cam and the supporting cast but also the Bollywood songs and melodrama and it didn’t really mesh for me. Also, I though Abhi’s role was underwritten but now you are making me think I just missed the subtext of the religious stories that the audience would know well.

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  6. I have total brain death at the moment so can’t cope with answering questions!

    But, ooh, ooh, I just came across an international chef cooking competition on Netflix – the Final Table. Episode 5 is Indian cuisine and one of the guest judges is Maddy!

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  7. I have been listening/watching a malayalam temple folk song video
    came to it in a round-about way 1)Vidya Vox > 2)Amrutham Gamaya 3}Om Kali Nadaan paatu video & finally 4)Amchi Mumbai Reality Show folk music round below.
    All 4 versions are enjoyable

    was reading about the 4 yoga paths by Vivekananda
    1) Karma Yoga (shakti = Shiva) POWER
    2) Bhakti Yoga (dharma – Vishnu) VALUES
    3) Raja Yoga (dhyana/introspection – Brahma) GOVT / RULE OF LAW
    4) Jnana Yoga (self realization/free will – Atma) INDIVIDUAL

    http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_8/writings_prose/four_paths_of_yoga.htm

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