Koffee With Karan Discussion Area! What Do You Hate? What Do You Tolerate? What Do You Miss?

I gotta say, the very “eh” attitude of those of you who are watching this season is not inspiring me to give it a try. But on the other hand, I do enjoy reading what y’all thought.

Just to get the discussion going, I understand the first episode was Alia talking about how marriage and Ranbir and the Kapoor Family have made her all traditional and cultural and Ranbir is just The Best.

And then there was Sara-Jhanvi which had a weird dynamic

And now Aamir Kareena which people really want to talk about.

Is that it? What did I miss?

19 thoughts on “Koffee With Karan Discussion Area! What Do You Hate? What Do You Tolerate? What Do You Miss?

  1. The Samantha episode was awesome. She’s a breath of fresh air. Frank, acerbic, intelligent, insightful, but also charming, charismatic, comfortable in her own skin, and a “sexy without realizing it” vibe. (Though she probably realizes it lol. ) I guess that’s what happens when you label a 12-year veteran as a debutante lol.

    Funny how Akshay was 1000% more comfortable than on any previous episode. Maybe because Samantha’s personality is so similar to Twinkle’s, he must feel comfortable with those types of women.

    All the other episodes rank among the most boring out of 8 seasons! Without questions about airport looks or “rank the actresses by who is the most stunning”, this show has no raisom d’etre.

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  2. Don’t let us put you off KwK, you always have interesting insights! I’ll still watch the episodes simply because there is nothing else like it out there. I’m tolerating the increasingly sex-focused angle Karan has decided to take. Maybe it’s the age difference or the fact that it’s one-sided which is making me uncomfortable. Also because I’ve outgrown the newest generation of actors, their personal lives don’t interest me anymore. I liked learning about the Sara-Janhvi friendship which was the best part of the episode. I don’t know Vijay so I didn’t care for him but Ananya came off really good in their episode. Samantha was a favorite because of the witty back and forth, she held her own despite the potential for awkwardness. Aamir-Kareena had old-school vibes which I thoroughly enjoyed and again proved to me that KwK is best when Karan is not allowed to dominate!

    What I wanted to talk about is the story of how Kareena got cast in LSC. Aamir revealed they were initially looking at a younger 25 year old actress so that they wouldn’t have to de-age her. Then they saw the actress and Kareena together in an ad and felt Kareena would be perfect for the part even if they have to de-age her. Meanwhile it was a given that he himself would be obviously de-aged because of course no one but him can play the part! This lack of self-awareness regarding actors’ ages rubbed me the wrong way. It revealed that no matter how much we want age-appropriate women opposite older actors it’s never going to happen, because one of the top actors sees nothing wrong with casting a 25 year old opposite his 57 year old self!

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    • It isn’t just the age thing. I mean that is bad, but the idea that the girl is so replaceble – that her cost is more important than her acting. I’m sure Aamir thinks he is enlightened, and that his decision to use Kareena proves his enlightenment, when in fact it shoes how terribly sexist the world is.

      I wish Kareena would make another all women movie. It was a success, why didn’t she do it again?

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      • You’re right! I couldn’t fully put my finger on why it was irking me, but you said it well. Also in the Akshay episode, he said he misses his 90s heroines, and I thought why don’t you work with them then? They’re all around!

        With Kareena, it seems she only chooses from what is offered to her. She’s not someone who takes initiative to make a project happen, she’s very old school in that way. The only people making all-women movies were Sonam-Rhea and Sonam seems to have retired, and Zoya-Farhan who are doing the PC-Kat-Alia movie.

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        • Okay. I am watching the episode now and surprisingly, I did not find Amir’s comment offensive. I thought I would especially after reading your comments. But what I found refreshing was how honest Amir was being. Maybe it’s because I see Akshay and frankly all the other “legacy” actors being so politically correct, having Amir just say literally how “stupid” his thought process was was just great. It’s a sexist industry. Actors know de-aging is expensive and want that money to be spent on them. Amir didn’t shy away from admitting that. Okay, I’ll add more as I see the rest of the episode.

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          • See, what’s really stupid is that you have to de-age at all. But that gets into the whole “people can only relate to coming of age stories/there are no new young stars at the same level as the 90s actors” problem. And that’s a whole “Indian society only allows non-householders to have adventures” and “the social/economic/internet changes have killed the star system” thing.

            On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 2:16 PM dontcallitbollywood < comment-reply@wordpress.com> wrote:

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        • Oh one more thing. Maybe it’s just me. But I actually liked that Aamir spoke Hindi. I’m sure it was strategic but I couldn’t help but think, okay, he’s just more comfortable speaking it when he’s expressing himself. I remember an interview with Imraan Khan when he said Aamir watched his film and his first critique was that the target audience is a common man and the film has way too much English in it.

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          • I had the same reaction re: Aamir speaking in Hindi/Urdu. It was lovely to hear him speaking so naturally and fluently in Hindi/Urdu and served as a subtle reminder that Bollywood is supposed to be the Hindi Film industry! I had similarly positive reaction to Alia Bhatt’s interview with WPost where she occasionally slipped in a “haan” or “na” in her responses to the white guy who was interviewing her.:-) I’m not sure why, but the unconsciously lapsing into Hindi made me think better of her.

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          • Yes! It’s also such a class sign, and a reminder that the Hindi film industry used to be made up of outsiders and moneyless folks who weren’t part of the English speaking elite. Alia today gets all those “nepotism” slams, but her childhood was much more average and Hindi speaking than a lot of the new “outsiders” from rich families.

            On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 4:30 PM dontcallitbollywood < comment-reply@wordpress.com> wrote:

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          • Yeah it was nice. I think we all know that their generation of actors is as comfortable with Hindi as with English.

            It did cross my mind that he was speaking mainly from a technical point of view because de-aging two actors is more costly than de-aging one. Maybe you’re right. Let’s see what he does for his next project which will take another 5 years! I wouldn’t put Akshay in the same category because he acts like he doesn’t even understand the issue. When Karan asked him, he was all ‘do I look 55? Why shouldn’t I act with girls half my age?’

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          • Again, BHARAT! You can make this movie without de-aging the heroine at all, and still give her a strong role! Just, don’t do a “childhood once and forever love” kind of love story. Sigh.

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          • YES! Aamir in particular, with his dyslexia and not finishing college and so on, I know he is fluent in English, but I am sure he is more comfortable speaking the language he learned before school.

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      • There’ve been lots of female producer/actresses who tried to make movies based on themselves and leads and somehow they haven’t hit, the promos or something weren’t quite right. Maybe Veere Di Wedding was a hit because Kareena just did her job as the biggest name lead actor, and someone else did the job of being producer?

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    • Shout out for Bharat!!!! Kat was cast after Priyanka, two fairly age appropriate choices, and the script was structured for that. It was a decade long story, but they kept the de-aging sequence short and left the heroine out of it. And then they wrote in a heroine who was age appropriate for the hero and the actor and made it work.

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