Sorry, there was a total mess-up in getting us here, but I will be here with you for the whooooooooooooooooole movie now!!!
Sorry sorry sorry! Comment below, starting the film at 7:30.
Sorry, there was a total mess-up in getting us here, but I will be here with you for the whooooooooooooooooole movie now!!!
Sorry sorry sorry! Comment below, starting the film at 7:30.
I am all scrunched up. I don’t like where the movie is going
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On the plus side, Dubrovnik is BEAUTIFUL and you will come out of this movie really wanting to visit it.
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Why didn’t he put the phone on speaker????
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Doesn’t trust anyone fully?
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But surely he’s watched western crime TV shows like me about saving your ass and investigation??? 😀
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Did we have anybody named “Chanda” before? Where does that come from?
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Gaurav Chandana I think is his full name
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LMAO, it’s his last name. Past my bedtime, brain moving slowly : P
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So I love that scene with the diplomats – who tell him he has to prove he is innocent and then he replies that he will have to be a policeman. It is so true – to both sides, they are doing him a favor and he (understandably as an innocent man) is annoyed that he is supposed to be thankful for his basic freedom of mobility after doing nothing wrong. And then the whole thing is put down to the arrogance of movie stars. The stardom supercedes the basic humanity.
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In one of my analysis posts, I said that I think there is this idea that Gaurav is a fan of Aryan because he sees that same madness and passion in him that is in himself. That’s the bond between the two. But the difference is, Aryan is not essentially selfish or mean or evil. He’s determined, he does what he has to do, and sometimes he’s a bit egotistical, but the goals he is persuing are not bad. While Gaurav takes that same passion and turns it to only thinking of what HE wants.
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Now, this is truly why I could never be a public figure: my memory for names is horrible!
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Bugger, my time conversion was way off so I am not here 😥
But I look forward to catching up on the comments later 💜
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We are at around 1:23 in the movie if you care to see the end–?
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Thank you 💜
I’d love to have but I’m deep in the forest for the next hour 😅
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I think I can safely say, most of us here would NEVER want to do these wedding jobs. OMG, it seems horrible. Being treated like the “help”, but also held to this impossible standard of perfection at all times.
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The issue, or the press or social media or whatever seeing what Guarav did in London and running with it, and everyone taking it as fact before trial or all facts ect. Well it is still such an issue. Even in my small town, the number of people who take rumor as fact is disturbing.
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And as a public figure, Aryan is constantly confronted with these rumors and has to either apologize for something that isn’t his fault, or rudely defend himself. All he can do is smile and say “so sorry, I’ll make it up to you”.
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Well aren’t we living in the world of FAKE NEWS
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AFter Trump that word has lost meaning – because anything anyone disagrees with is labeled fake, including the news put out by reputable reporters. I don’t know how it is in India, but in the U.S. the phrase is ignored by all but the biggest supporters of the former president. Now people refer to “misinformation” gained from social media and non-official media sources.
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In India the are large teams employed by political parties that manufacture news and circulate it on WhatsApp and social media. They counter each other’s manufactured news too. Everyone is glued to Whatsapp and takes it as gospel truth most of the time. It’s why Whatsapp reduced how many people you can forward a message to at a time. I suspect these were also the people running boycott campaigns for Hindi films and you would notice after Pathaan’s hit they are now pretending to be on its side to seemingly align with the right ride of popular opinion.
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I think “bio-data” is the one Indian Englishism I can never get used to. It sounds somehow science-fictional.
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This movie makes me feel like SRK is living in a gilded cage.
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With weddings in particular, I remember some interview where he was talking about trying to scrap together more money for a Red Chillies film, calling around trying to get wedding gigs. I wonder if it feels less horrid doing a wedding job if you know the money is going into your business? That you have more control than that?
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I mean, I expect most of us do aggravating work smilingly when we’re well-rewarded. (Database maintenance Monday, heaven help me.)
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I think he loves being in front of the camera so much that when he spends 16-20 hours a day doing that, it’s not a cage
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Naina, can you confirm they are both talking Delhi accent Hindi now? It feels like it to me, but I don’t really know.
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Gaurav’s accent is very West Delhi. I didn’t notice about AK, will pay more attention
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AK has a Delhi accent for sure when talking to Gaurav. Definitely more of educated accent than the type shown of his parents
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Thank you! I just listen for SRK to take harder and faster and then I assume it’s Delhi, but I don’t know.
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Maybe this is also why i like him, he sounds like “home” to me. Eg compare to Alia Bhatt’s accent and intonation that is definitely not Delhi-like, more mumbai
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I really like that this is the horrible thing he does. It’s perfect, because Aryan the star being angry, or violent, that’s not going to ruin his image. But ruining the fantasy? Scaring a little girl at Tussauds, and making a teenage girl feel dirty at a wedding? That destroys the heart of what he is.
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See what I mean about the equal madness? Only two perfectly matched enemies would have this kind of a chase scene.
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What is the city of this chase?
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Debrovnik!
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When I lived in Berlin everyone was going to Croatia! Never went, I got to go to Poland and the Czech Rupublic instead.
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Aryan Khanna the actor, with actual personal trainers, is proably in better shape than Guarav
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I’m sitting at work reading the comments and watching the movie in my head lol. Hi friends.
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I feel like I can’t see myself ever boycotting SRK like this, no matter what he did. But maybe I am being delusional???
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Maybe Metoo is the thing that has brought down many celebrities and stars???
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No you’re right there would definitely still be diehards there
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Funny story, the week I got to see SRK in a massive stage show, the organizers of the show were confirmed to be mobbed up (I think one of them was shot in a drive by?). Anyway, no one cared, they still showed up for the show.
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If it seemed that my actual hero was attacking young girls I would probably back off of my fandom. But it seems too ephemeral here to cause the backlash described, yet still not totally unbeleavable.
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Agreed!
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First wise thing he did to not answer his call!
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It really pisses me off that a single crazy man could ruin the whole career of one superstar. It pisses me off because the movie makes it seem so real. Once again, good movie.
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I think this is where Aryan’s character has his big switch. No more hiding himself, keeping things quiet and clean, he (like a normal human) just wants to stop anyone else from being hurt. And the press and other folks still think it is just a game for him. And the weird thing is, Gaurav is the one still in that fantasy, still thinks this is all just a game.
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I am really not liking this. He got into the house!
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Ooh, I should rewatch “Asli-Naqli.”
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So, she knows the second she touches him, right? And is just trying to keep him away from the kids? Ugh, along with everythign else great about this movie, this whole sequence is just a brilliant thriller moment.
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YES!!!
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Notice that the gun is under the ties? It’s such a small thing but it paints a whole picture of it being Aryan’s gun, but she knows about it because she is his partner, he is the one with the crazy sense of danger but she’s part of that too because they are a real couple.
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I was just reading a SRK interview from 1997 where he talked about carrying a gun
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Everything isn’t excusable, but it less evil, then when he actually goes into the actor’s own house! This is where the horror part of the film begins.
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Exactly! You go along thinking “it’s a game, it’s just fandom and stardom” and then you see the kids asleep while this stranger is in the house!!! I think it was structured like that on purpose, to kind of teach a lesson tot he audience about stalking? It isn’t “just” attacking a public figure, it’s potential violence to all kinds of non-public people.
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After watching the movie so far, I feel like it was promoted all wrong that is why it flopped. I DID NOT think of it being promoted as a dark / thriller.
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YES!!!! It was promoted to be a big blockbuster YRF movie, and it should have gone straight to film festivals and things instead.
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And Jabra FAN song was such a huge hit and I thought it represented the fun of his fandom. So weird!
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PR and marketing failure because I do think this could have been a hit if people knew what they were going to get
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What was that Kathy Bates movie with the hostage author? I looked it up, Misery – I think of this as SRK’s Misery.
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Not the point, but I really like that beeswax-shaped glass feature.
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YES!!! Me too
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oooh – I missed that in my general fear! Which I still have even though I know how the film ends.
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Ehehehe, even at my most nervy I’m attentive to furnishings and costumes ( ;
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I very much enjoy how cold his wife plays that scene. She doesn’t reject him when he comforts her, but this is not a “my savior! Come to rescue me!” moment. More of a “the kids are scared, I’m scared, what are you gonna do about it????”
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And now I’m wishing for Guarav to just be killed already. The home invasion scene really changes the dynamic.
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Yep! And then they double down with his pleasure at threatening the kids again, just to get a rise out of Aryan.
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And then the government really did this. Arresting his child on false charges. It makes it all the more gross. His family really was attacked, by more than just one crazy fan. Just to you know, bring down the mood further.
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And there are people who claim you’re supposed to be torn about who’s right and wrong in this movie. I’ll never understand that.
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I think you are, until you aren’t. Like, I think the structure is supposed to make you wonder for the first half, and then in the second half go “how could I ever have wondered who was right and who was wrong? They are totally different.”
Maybe all those people just left the movie early 🙂
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Really?!?! Aryan isn’t super-sympathetic to me, but definitely wayyy more so than Gaurav.
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It’s just too smart of a movie! It expects the audience to accept a nasty difficult character is still way WAY better than a straight up cruel one.
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I think that is because we see some of ourselves in Gaurav and AK being distant feels like a personal affront. If I step away from that disappointment of not seeing my superstar, and respecting AK’s boundaries then he is easier to identify with.
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The Aryan with Gaurav’s parents scene is just as important as GAurav with his family, I think. Aryan reacts to them like people, listens to them, makes a connection. Gaurav isn’t capable of that. Ultimately, you can look at the background and motives and everything else, but it’s about Aryan being human and Gaurav being a sociopath.
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I do wonder, Guarav wasn’t yet 25. The male brain doesn’t finish growing till around 25. Was he born a sociopath, or was it how things fell into place – his parents putting him first, putting his obsession first, I mean he never does have a meaningful relationship with anyone other than them. Would it have turned out the same if he had. I almost feel like the had a choice and chose that dynamic, where as true sociopaths don’t really have that choice. Perhaps not voiced well. But I blame Gurav for his choices, but still think he may have had a chance to turn it around, is perhaps the meaning of my paragraph.
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Yes. I think I get what you are saying. There is something there that is redeemable. But at the same time, the choices he has made by now, the extent he has gone to follow his goals, there is no turning back no matter what his parents think.
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The reality is that he never got to live with the consequences of his actions. This is why the narcissist in him could not have been anything else even later.
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Yes. this.
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The only thing is that because he is seeking the good and wants a good outcome, he can’t see that it’s not possible to reason with a sociopath / narcissist
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“one-way walli”!
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Another interesting difference. Gaurav ruined Aryan’s public face and then escalated to threatening his family. Aryan got into Gaurav’s family and he didn’t care, it was his little bit of fame that mattered to him.
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But also, Aryan was giving to Guarav’s family what he wouldn’t give to Guarav himself. 5 minutes.
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Yep. But then, they didn’t demand it and threaten for it. It was freely offered.
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The girlfriend of sorts saying the guy who just badly shot at a stage and could have killed her is “a good guy” ARGH!!!!!!!!!
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And that’s why Aryan has no response! Just has to look at her like “uhhhhh”
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While this crazy fight is happening, one more thing I want to bring up, we are all thinking of the home invasion as when Gaurav crosses the line. But before he did that, he did actually molest a young girl. And hold another child hostage at gun point. He did those things for the secondary effect of what they would do to Aryan, but he still did them. And his victims aren’t going to care that this was all part of a crazed fan obsession, they just know they were traumatized. Aryan never did that. In his fight against gaurav, he didn’t attack bystanders.
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Beating up the Sid guy is already much too rich for my blood, lol.
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I wonder, no assume that SRK sometimes wishes he could have an all out brawl with his media image. I mean this scene would be more with his fandom, but I think he LOVES that – but with the persona he has to put on to gain that fandom, I bet he would love to fight that.
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And thus, Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi.
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Significance of fireworks when Gaurav was falling to his death?
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I think just the image of the fireworks,t he lights, the cheap spectacle on top of that concrete apartment block where he lived his every day life.
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This talent show thingy always happens on Dussehra, na?
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yeah but I wonder why it was in the shot…. The fireworks were more Diwali-like, Dussehra fireworks are usually not like this?? Were they trying to show some kind of Gaurav got his own salvation through fireworks?!
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Based on movies and newspaper articles I tend to feel that India has super high suicide rates, but when I actually look it up it is equal to the U.S.
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Same! Although I never trust Indian statistics fully.
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India doesn’t have good record keeping.
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Yeah I suspect that, but because I’m from a different country I can’t assume it. So I have to take it as stated. I can only really trust the facts available.
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What is the statistic you were looking at that was comparable?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
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Admittedly I looked at a total of three sites only.
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I just did a quick check, WHO actually has the US at a higher rate than India. But I wouldn’t be surprised if digging into it more brought up some interesting variations. Like, I think in the US there’s a lot of older suicides (lonely old male widowers, for example), and maybe in India those are less common but younger suicides are more common? Statistics are hard.
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Well with the large population of India and the large denominator, I wouldn’t look to compare “rates”, they always look smaller but when you see how many people, it starts to show how staggering it can be
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There is the shame vs. guilt culture dynamic. In the U.S. it would be extraordinarly rare for someone to commit suicide because their percieved (but not real) actions brought shame to a family. For example someone accused of pedophilia, if they were NOT pedophiliac, would normally not commit suicide. They would commit suicide if they WERE a pedophiliac and they felt guilt about their actions. Whereas in India the shame brought to their family from a mere accusation makes it seem as though suicide would be more likely, regardless of actual guilt or even a sense of guilt. So knowing those cultural differences I would think suicide was more common in India, but once again, I don’t collect the data, and the data available says I’m wrong.
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The shame doesn’t leave to suicide alone, it also prevents it in a way. And India does have more community than in the west
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Less human isolation and loneliness. More warmth in people
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And why this ending? Putting Gaurav’s fan journey at the end with the little music? Final touch of creepiness, tribute to his humanity? Reminder that fandom can be, should be, pure?
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I think of it more being in Aryan’s mind, that he’s always going to be spooked by this experience from here on out.
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This makes sense.
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I think SRK in interviews said that he didn’t want to say one side is better or worse or positive or negative role. I do think that in the end trying to make us like him was not consistent.
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What do you think about Gaurav killing himsel? I am not fully convinced by it…
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I can see him doing it because he knows it is the best way to hurt Aryan. A final act of viciousness.
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I usually don’t see narcissists killing themselves even to hurt someone else. Just my 2 cents
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I can only see it because Aryan has essentially backed him in to a corner. There was no other way to make an impact on him, Aryan said “work hard, love your parents, I forgive you”. Killing himself was the only way to make Aryan hurt.
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I can see that
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Such an amazing last scene, with the star feeling a responsiblity and guilt for the love and value of his fans. Once again, amazing movie.
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Thank you all so much for watching this with me, and putting up with my tardiness. I hope it was worth the wait for y’all. I know it was for me. Such a brilliant movie, and one that just demands analysis and commentary. Plus, too spooky to watch alone.
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I definitely could NOT have watched it alone. Thank you so much for organizing it at a time friendly for me. I am now feeling angry that they didn’t promote it properly!!!!
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Thanks, guys *big yawn* *toddles off to bed*
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Thank you for the watch a long Margaret! I’m glad I finally took the time to watch Fan on my large screen. Hope the rest of your weekend is of equal joy to the 5 year old’s bday!
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Had forgotten how dark this movie actually was! Goodnight everyone, try not to have nightmares!
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Without stardom I think we can all sleep safe knowing there are no Guarav’s waiting to invade our homes. But perhaps I’m wrong – Lily P you may be more famous than I know!
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I hope not!
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