This movie is horribly offensive, stupid, and disturbing. And also operatic and beautiful and you can’t look away. Naturally, I am excited to watch it with y’all!
I (on Amazon Prime, search “I tamil” or else you will never find it. Dumb title)
I know Tamil films aren’t familiar territory for a lot of you, so I am going to give you a bit of info in advance. First, Amy Jackson (our heroine) is a nice British young woman. She’d been working in Tamil films for a while by the time of this one, very good dancer and onscreen presence. All her dialogue is dubbed, but that’s actually pretty common for southern actresses since they tend to work cross-industry a lot. Vikram, our hero, is a Big Big Deal actor. Think Aamir Khan type, intense and serious and only makes a few movies and is super serious about them. Shankar, our director, specializes in totally insane expensive plots/song sequences. And he was one of the first to sponsor AR Rahman, so Rahman always does amazing music for him.
Anyway, I! On Prime, or einthusan, or whatever.
Honestly I think he looks worse.
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You are completely crazy!
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He needed the moustache to make up for the lack of eyebrows. Now his face is a mass of skin.
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Her teaching him to pose? Super cute, right? The whole thing with her being his Svengali is such a great flip.
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She looks like she’s been shot.
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Maybe it’s a power move? As a woman in power she wants something to make herself stand out?
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I understand that this poor man is hideously deformed, but does he have to wear the black cape and hood all the time?
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Because Shankar watched the Lon Chaney movie and thought he’d make a super deep cinematic reference for cinephiles.
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Speaking of, did you catch that the stylist is named “Osma”? As in, Ozma of Oz who was raised as a boy and then turned into a girl? That can’t be an accident.
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That is an actual deep reference!
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Have you seen the movie ‘Beauty’? It’s literally on par for the course of Beauty and the Beast kinds of stories if set in modern-day for the “ugly” guy to wear a black hoodie
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BEASTLY! The movie’s name is ‘Beastly’
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Also, CHINA!
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YOU PINCH A BABY TO GET A GOOD SHOT???? This director is a bad person
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Is that water pretty, or toxic?
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I really cannot handle his real face. He reminds me of old Dev Anand.
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And I was thinking before that I found him weirdly attractive with the moustache and Vikrant Massey hair, so I can only conclude that Danny Denzongpa really did brainwash me.
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His lips are very thin, too.
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He’s got kind of a Shahrukh face, in that the strong features and strength of it make it stand out. I am comparing it with Vijay, the other big big Tamil superstar who has a super soft baby face.
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An we compromise with the Amitabh look?
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He has literally no fat left in his face, which is fine, it’s his face, but maybe if you’re going to mess with it, get collagen injections before the facelift.
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That lake looks like Yellowstone
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Check out Vikram playing his own age, with some meat on his bones, and a nice grey beard look:
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He looks good there, the taut look really isn’t good with the boney face he has.
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You can do better, Osma!
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YES! Find some guy who appreciates you!
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I wonder what this is an ad for?
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Wasn’t it for a perfume called I?
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Oh right, thank you! And I guess that explains the title of the film too?
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Is the stylist a guy?
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A transsexual
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Sometimes it’s hard to tell – Hijra in India?
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I don’t think so, Hijra is also kind of a community membership, and she isn’t part of that community.
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Following Margaret’s lead here: Here is Vikram being the height of sexy and brooding in Raavanan
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He looks good there.
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His eye acting in Raavanan makes my heart melt every time, that really sells the sexiness the picture doesn’t do justice to
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Wasn’t right for her to lie and tell him she loved him, but he is really REALLY presuming!
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Such beautiful scenery!!
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He is a jeeeeerk
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Looked up the Osma actress, she really is a stylist to the stars! who I guess agreed to play “herself” for a laugh:
https://www.instagram.com/ojasrajani/?hl=en
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I see no reason for her to be in love with him or any build up to this relationship at all, but this is a pretty silly movie, so I will try to just go with it.
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I want to go back to masses of oily men posing and fighting.
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But my favorite song is still coming! The one with all the ads strung together!
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This scene is pretty great, but I have to go to bed. Enjoy!
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Sleep tight!
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I have far less to say about crazy action scenes than I do crazy love scenes.
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But the bikes on roofs are super cool
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So, Parkour on Bikes????
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Okay, this scene works for me. All the lead up is ridiculous, but the idea of her deciding she likes him and going after him by learning slang and then fighting each other, that’s great.
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They are so cute in this scene!
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I really don’t think the science on this hair growth holds up
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This ad makes NO SENSE! Why is he angry at the perfume?
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YES! My favorite song!
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Out of all these bits, the razor ad is def my favorite. And the flying lips is my list favorite.
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Well, now I want chocolate
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I don’t! Icky naked people in it, that’s not hygenic
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I wish ads for jeans were so exciting
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I’m glad we get closure on the “John the Jerk” storyline.
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He deserved it, although I still wish someone had given him a hard punch in the face
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Not the bees! Not the bees! That is HORRIFYING!!!
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At least they are CGI bees!
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Oh, are you finishing it? If so, I am so glad!
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:34 AM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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I am! The moral is extremely annoying and bad and Vikram’s face is firmly in the uncanny valley for me, but when something is this insane I can’t not watch it.
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wait, you found a moral? What is it? Is it just that beauty is skin deep or something more?
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:41 AM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Well, it’s super muddled. I did think it was going to be about investing too much into appearances/capitalism, but all the ad stuff was ultimately meaningless, so I guess it’s just the age old being ugly on the outside is better than being a paedophile on the inside, unless you’re a woman because then you still need to be cis, young, and beautiful.
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Is this your first Shankar movie? I think they all kind of end up muddled like that. He’s got an incredibly simple moral message, and then gets caught up in the gore and spectacle and everything and the message gets lost. This one, I think appearances/consumerism is supposed to be the point, after all the ending is them retreating to an isolated natural paradise and only using natural ayurvedic methods to cure him. But along the way he’s got the pedofile doctor, and the transgender woman, and a whole bunch of other stuff that ends up being more memorable.
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 8:59 AM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Yeah, it is. It seems to let go for half the movie of that idea, but I think it must still be the message. I also don’t like the way revenge is bad when people other than the hero do it, and good when he does it. But it is kind of redeemed by him transforming back at the end.
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Anything the hero does is good, that’s one of the main things of Shankar. What I find fascinating/frustrating/hateful about his movies is that he sticks with his backing of the hero, even when the film itself kind of takes over and shows how the hero’s actions are wrong. Indian is my Most Hated of his films, he bends the whole world to justify his hero turning to vigilantism and it truly does not hold up to the slightest logic. I know movies don’t have to have logic, but they do when it directly relates to the moral of the film, you know?
On the lighter side, there is the film Boys where the teenage hero and heroine elope because their parents are trying to separate them, but decide not to have sex even though they are married because they can’t afford babies. So, a), if the parents had just let them date for a bit until they graduated college and then got married, it would be the same result. And b), birth control exists!!!! The whole second half of the film is this struggle of the young runaway couple to survive, without babies, and it makes NO SENSE because they could just still be living in their separate homes so far as their relationship is concerned! And the whole argument of the film is “young love marriages are bad because babies ruin your life, and our couple is wise and noble for not having sex” but CONDOMS! CONDOMS CONDOMS CONDOMS!!!!!!
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 9:07 AM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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They don’t have to have logic, but they have to have internal logic, or there is no story. Unless you’re making a surrealist film.
Yeah but they have to be mooooraaaaaaaal unless they want to kill people, that’s okay. Sex, though, never.
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But they are MARRIED! Why not have recreational sex after you are married? I just DON’T UNDERSTAND!!!!!
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 9:17 AM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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Does Hinduism have hang ups about non reproductive sex like Catholocism? I think I’ve seen it before in movies.
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As a not quite expert, I would say “no”, it’s a totally different hang up. More that marriage is for the purpose of children. Recreational sex is fine, but procreational sex is more important because the pressure to have kids is so incredibly high.
Also, we have to divide things a lot more with Hinduism than we do with Catholocism, because there is no Pope. No one unquestioned authority/interpretation. There are loads of super sexy religious texts, about orgasms as a force of nature and the Gods and things like that. And there’s the strong general social message of limiting the number of children per family and birth control in India. But on the other hand, there is in the air a sort of social message of “good people practice control over their sexual desires and only have sex within marriage with family approval and if it doesn’t interfere with their other duties”. It’s complicated.
In the case of this film, I think it was the same confusion I see a lot where “good” young people now are expected to have advanced degrees and careers and accomplishments before marriage, but also be chaste until marriage. Which is simply not feasible, but you certainly can’t suggest sex before marriage as a solution. Except it is a solution really. Unless you argue “sex leads to pregnancy leads to DISASTER so you shouldn’t do it until you are safely married”.
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 3:13 PM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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It doesn’t make any sense!
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NOOOO! Alliance of EVIL! Do you even remember the failed body builder from the beginning?
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Oh thank goodness, more shirtlessness, it’s been so long
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Yep, definitely my favourite fight scene so far
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It’s the WHOOOOOOOOLE MOVIE in one epic song sequence!
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OH YEAH! Finally the official Beauty and the Beast song!! 😀
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This is officially my favourite song from the movie!!!!
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I thought you would like it! Very musical theater
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I love this part! Yes, fight back heroine!!!!!
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Props to the makeup department!
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And the acting! That was some great “horror!” on his face when the hair came out
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This guy is a really good friend. Did we even see our hero do anything for him during that time he was super successful and famous?
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Oh oh! The “I” virus! Another time the movie title comes up!
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This whole conversation doctor-mother is super creepy! Just let the girl greive.
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I was watching while making dinner. So. Much. Craziness.
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Oh oh! We are about to get the awesome/weird/creepy ultimate motivation!
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These guys are idiots! Don’t they know never to monologue about their evil deeds to someone who can take revenge!
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I HATE YOU DOCTOR WITH A BURNING PASSION!!!!!! I HATE YOU!!!!
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SUCH A GREAT VILLAIN!!!!! And totally retroactively justifies all our heroes actions!
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This is such a crazy movie otherwise, but dammit if the story isn’t well executed. Took me completlely by surprise!
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Yeah, the plot really holds up. Each villain had their own reasons to hate the hero, teased out through out the film, with the doctor always there as the puppet master in the background. Even little stuff like them falling in love on a location shoot in China, one place where the doctor couldn’t go and control her.
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So f-ing pedophile creepy!
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Did he just say Tandoori Ravi???
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YES! Because he was fried in oil!
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That is so very wrong.
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If I were John and the Doctor, I would be leaving town immediately. Maybe faking my own death too, just to be safe.
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