Okay, sharpen your claws, build up the knives of resentment, stoke the fires of your class/gender anger, and let us focus all of that on the one perfect representation of every man who ever tried to tell you his pain was more important than yours, that his success is a tribute to talent and not privilege, that if we disagree with him it is just because we don’t have the depth to understand his thoughts. Take down Ranbir, and we can take down every patronizing boss, every bad boyfriend, every dumb colleague promoted over you, every person who looks at the world and only sees a mirror, not a window. Yes, our Ranbir Hate, in one great cleansing burst, will Save the World.
Usual Disclaimer: I don’t know these people, I have no special knowledge, this is just how it looks to me based on publicly available information.
I don’t like to hate people, usually. And I try to keep that off this blog as much as possible. I don’t think hatred is a good thing to put out in the world, I think it poisons your mind and poisons those around you. If there is someone about whom I truly cannot say a good or kind word, as much as possible I try not to speak of them at all. That is my rule here and my rule in “reality” as well.
I started out following that rule with Ranbir, I spoke kindly about him in reviews where I appreciated his performances, and I ignored him otherwise. I was even careful to avoid reviewing films where I knew I would not like him or the film. But then I saw Jagga Jasoos and, as a film and a performance, I simply could not find anything good to say. I had to be honest, and it was a major new film that I had to review, so I found myself writing a terribly mean review. And this is a comment I got in response from someone calling himself “moviedude”:
this so-called intellectual review is the reason why i don’t rely on reviews of random people to decide whether to watch a particular movie or not. thank goodness i watched the movie *before* i read this or i’d have had done injustice to a fairly decent, enjoyable movie by not watching it. i’m sure you’ll defend your review and some blind followers of you will support you but i have made it a point to steer clear of your blog in future.
Here is another comment from “Kabir”:
Seriously you are dumb. Your review literally proves that you have no knowledge of movies. Criticizing Ranbir? I am a student at the NSD Delhi , I have completed a year long film making course in NYU and a diploma from Lee Strasberg ( Ranbir kapoor is an alumni) . While pursuing the course in NYU I showed a bunch of Hindi movies there to the professors and students. All had one thought in common ” This guy Ranbir , he is a frickin good actor”. Ranbir did off-beat movies like Barfi , Rajneeti , Tamasha , Bombay Velvet , Rocket Singh and still you’re calling him an actor who don’t want to step out of his comfort zone. Even here in NSD everyone considers Ranbir as one of the most talented actors we have now. Most of the people in comment section haven’t watched Satyajit Ray’s work that’s why they weren’t able to understand this movie. This country is plagued by dumb fucks like you.
Coming to Jagga Jasoos , mark my words I repeat again mark my words. This movie is gonna go the “Mera Naam Joker” way . That movie was understood and considered a cult much later. You idiots don’t know shit about movies . I agree Katrina was not suitable for the role , and playing a teenager at the age of 34 ( you idiots are calling him 35) that’s called acting. This movie was one of the best Hindi movies I have watched ( my friends in NSD and overseas pals also think the same). So fuck off, this review of yours is shit
What shocked me was the tone of the comments. As you know if you are a regular reader here, our comments section has an overall tone of respectful disagreement. There is an assumption that everyone’s opinion is valid, and everyone has a desire to learn from each other. These two comments were completely dismissive of any possibility of disagreement, any concept that they could be wrong and I could be right. Or that I we could both be right in our own way. Or simply that I (or anyone who disagreed with their world view) had value in the world.
These were also not early comments. In the first few days after I post a review of a new film, my posts are high in the search results because there just aren’t that many reviews out there (especially with spoilers). I get a lot of first time readers who hop in just for that review and hop out again. For “moviedude” and “kabir” to have found me, several days later, it means they were trolling the back corners of the internet for Jagga Jasoos reviews, looking for people to either attack for disagreeing with them, or praise for agreeing. While their comments may have a tone of “you attacked me by forcing me to see your opinion”, in fact they were out there looking for people to attack, needing to enforce some kind of power over others at the same time that they re-affirmed their own role as “victim” of some kind.
This is the kind of behavior that Ranbir Kapoor attracts and encourages through his public persona, and his film roles. I got those two comments, but I think if you go anywhere on the internet where his name is mentioned, you will find a similar tone among his defenders. A decision that they are right, they are the victims, they are in pain, and everyone else is worthless. And this is why I have decided it is okay to hate Ranbir, to publicly hate him. If “moviedude” and “kabir”, or any of the millions like them, are cruising the internet, I want them to be forced to acknowledge that there are people out there who do NOT feel their pain, who do NOT think like them, and that we are still human, and we deserve to be heard. Basically, I am not going to “fuck off”.
Ranbir Kapoor had a bad sad childhood, that is true. His father Rishi is an angry abusive drunk. As Rishi himself says, he struggled with how to be a father and a husband and still struggles with it. Rishi himself was raised by an angry abusive alcoholic and he saw himself repeating those patterns and wants to break free of those patterns and does not know how. Ranbir’s childhood was hiding from scary violent fights between his parents, and never feeling fully sure of himself or his place in the world. That is a sad thing and I would not wish it on anyone. But does a trauma in your past fully excuse all your behavior in the present? More complex, does a trauma in your past fully excuse how you react to your behavior in the present? I think it does not. Many people have trauma as children, many of Ranbir’s contemporaries had childhoods that were similarly bad and sad. But they reacted differently than he did, they chose to grow up and grow passed that.
Let’s start with life as a little boy in India versus a little girl. In India, the reality that little boys are better than little girls, more desired and more deserving of love and just generally more important, is so accepted and widespread that there are laws to protect female fetuses from being aborted simply for being female. The documentary “The World Before Her” interviewed a young woman who casually talked about how she always had to be grateful to her father because he allowed her to exist, he chose not to abort her before birth. As he regularly tells her. To her, that was a great generosity on his part, to allow her life despite her original sin of being female. A girl is taught humility, shame, and guilt literally since birth. She is female, and that is a terrible thing.
A little boy is taught that he is special since birth. He is male, and therefore deserving of everything. When a baby boy is born, the family holds a celebration, complete with prayers and sweets distributed and everything else. When a baby girl is born, Indian culture has no celebration.
That is the wider culture Ranbir, and his fans, grew up in. A culture that says, as boys, they are innately better and the world owes them everything for their mere existence. But let us look at Ranbir’s more specific family culture. When Neetu, Ranbir’s mother, married Rishi and moved into the family home, she struggled with her husband’s drinking, autocratic nature, and casual infidelity. She went to her mother-in-law Krishna for help and was told, essentially, “this is marriage, deal with it”. Rishi tells a story of when his career hit a rough patch soon after marriage. He sank into a true depression, was unable to get out of bed in the morning. And, as he himself says, he blamed his wife for everything and that was wrong and he shouldn’t have done that. But he says that now, decades later. When Ranbir was a little boy, the behavior he saw was his father’s emotional pain as the center of the household, with his mother’s job being to keep him happy, and her fault being that he was miserable. Within the household where Rishi was raised, the expectation is that men have pain, men misbehave, and everyone else will have to try to understand and forgive their pain, will have to deal with it. In fact, if a man has pain, it is the fault of those around him, the responsibility is on them to always keep the man happy and the failure is theirs when he is not happy. That is the way of the world, men have pain and women deal.
Now, if Ranbir had remained a private person, I would pity him. A little boy who never learned how to be an adult because his adult male role models never showed him proper behavior, and the women around him indulged him. Of course he would grow up to fail at everything he tried and live off of his parents and grandparents. Of course he would be unable to maintain a real relationship with a woman. Of course he would have a strange shallowness and emptiness inside that kept him from ever being a real person. This is Ranbir, and this is his uncle Randhir as well, the forgotten youngest Kapoor brother who had one failed late in life marriage and spends his days hanging around the family studio or living with his mother (and Ranbir, when Ranbir was living with Krishna too). We see these people all the time, superficially charming men in the grocery store check out line who, you eventually learn, are living with their grandmothers, never married, and never held down a job. Lost souls.
But Ranbir did not remain a private person. That’s not entirely his fault. His family indulged him and told him he was wonderful, and that gave him the attitude that sent him out into the world and convinced others to feel the same way. Opportunities fell into his lap, and continue to fall into his lap, with no effort on his part. I would not expect someone as emotionally and intellectually stunted as Ranbir to understand the unfairness of this, to turn away the beautiful women, the choice film roles, the slavishly adoring interviews. But that does not mean I need to treat him like that as well. Most of all, it does not mean that my differing opinion of him is “wrong” or (as the tone of these conversations often becomes) a crime that deserves punishment, a sign of my inferiority as a person because I cannot appreciate him.
Ranbir’s family sent him to New York, where he lived for two years on his parents’ money, occasionally attending film classes they paid for. He went to two schools while there, the School of Visual Arts and the Lee Strasberg Theatre and Film Institute. They offer completion certificates once you finish a class, I am not sure what certificates Ranbir earned or classes he finished. The School of Visual Arts also offers an undergrad program (which he certainly did not finish because it is 4 years and he was only there 2) and a Masters program (which he couldn’t have been in, because he was not able to finish college). The Strasberg programs vary from a 2 week course to a 2 year course. The application requirements are a certificate of completion from a high school program, a personal statement, two letters of recommendation, and a photo. And $75. To be accepted to the School of Visual Arts as an international student, you must provide proof of English proficiency and proof of financial ability (VERY IMPORTANT to them). And $500. Ranbir spent 2 years in New York and claims to have studied at both schools and made two student films during that time. What is not clear to me is exactly what and how much he studied at both schools. He says two student films, one 6 month course on “this is how you make a movie, this is how you turn on a camera, this is how you look through a viewfinder” would have given him two films. “Studying” at the Strasberg Institute could easily have been a weekend workshop or a two week course, at the most it was their one year intensive since he wasn’t gone long enough for the 2 year program.
So here we have Ranbir, a failure at everything he had ever attempted, supported by his family his whole life, arriving back in Bombay and handed a job assistant directing Sanjay Leela Bhansali thanks to his family connections. That’s odd to me, now that I think about it. Ranbir had already officially assisted on at least one family film production. And he had acting and filmmaking training (supposedly). Why did he need to spend time assisting SLB before he was qualified to start acting? This is usually promoted as his work ethic, or his dedication, or something. But that doesn’t really fit with everything else we know about him. It feels like more of the massaging the narrative to make himself always look good at the expense of others. Ranbir cared so much that he did Overseas Training, and then still wanted to train more in India. Not that Ranbir, despite supposed two years of training, was still not ready to have a real job.
Education and training can be one of the markers of both male and class privilege. Advanced education is a luxury not available to most women in the world, and most lower class people in the world. If you are married young, if you have children young, if you don’t understand the education system, if you don’t have the money, or simply if your family is not willing to spend the money, you cannot get advanced education no matter how much you want it. And then for the rest of your professional life, you are told “see, you are just a nurse, while I am a doctor. I am better than you, I am smarter than you, I care more than you do, because I am a Doctor”. When the reality is often that the Doctor is no better than the nurse, simply was given more opportunities because his family was rich, his family was powerful, or he is a Man.
Kareena Kapoor, Ranbir’s cousin, did not have expensive overseas training. She did not even have a training period as an assistant director. She started acting at age 19 and just kept acting. No one would have considered “wasting” the money on training her. Her family needed her to work while she was still young and pretty, if she was interested in learning filmmaking, that was just too bad. And yet somehow, for Ranbir, they found the money and gave him the time.
Ranbir struggled in his first film. It flopped terribly, but his father arranged a second chance and he finally got a hit. He had a series of hits or at least not bad films for the next couple years. And during that time, he fell into the proper persona for his characters and himself, a persona that would ring a bell with a large part of the Indian audience. The primary mover in this persona was Ayan Mukherjee, who became (and has remained) Ranbir’s best friend. Ayan’s film Wake Up Sid established Ranbir as a charmingly immature type, who struggles with pleasing his father, with finding a place in the world where he can succeed, with finally being appreciated and happy in his life. With learning to appreciate the great talent and power he has inside of himself and using it to “show them all” that he can do what he wants if he just gets a chance.
This is what Ranbir’s most popular films have all been about in the subsequent years. The young man who is special, but no one knows or appreciates it. The young man who has a talent that only other special people can see. The young man whose pain dominates those around him, whose pain is cinematic and beautiful and greater than anything else that has ever been before or since.
This is how Ranbir plays himself in public as well. I believe the stories of his difficult childhood, but I also find it a little odd that I know those stories. That Ranbir will sit down in an interview and talk about hiding from his parents’ fights. That he thinks this is something it is important for us all to know, not because it will say something about spousal abuse or have a bigger meaning, but simply because it affected him. Ranbir is in love with the idea of his own pain, his own depth, his own importance and “specialness”.
Picture a young man who, at his birth, was greeted as the promised savior of his family. Who was told by everyone around him his entire life that he is the most special person in the world, better than his sister, better than his classmates, better than everyone. A young man whose family sacrificed everything to give him an education better than anyone in their family had had before, who was praised over and over again for those accomplishments. And now this young man graduates from the school that he was told is the greatest school ever and everyone will be impressed with him for going there, with a degree that he is told is the greatest most impressive credential anyone has ever received, confirmation of his amazing specialness and perfection. And he goes out in the world and he can’t get a job. Or he gets a job, and his boss expects him to be respectful, to prove himself, to make coffee sometimes. Or worst of all, he gets a job and then is fired because he just isn’t very good. Maybe his girlfriend breaks up with him, or the woman he has a crush on rejects him. And now this young man watches Wake Up Sid, or Rocket Singh, or Tamasha, or Rockstar, and he thinks “that’s me!!!!” It’s not that he isn’t so special after all, it’s that he is TOO special, too much for the world to recognize. And then he goes and reads about Ranbir and learns that he had a series of beautiful girlfriends who he left behind because he was Beyond Such Things. And that he has an Important Degree proving that he is better than anyone else. And that his films aren’t appreciated, flop sometimes, because no one appreciates his Specialness. This young man, this disappointed confused man facing failure and the possibility of humility for the first time in his life, clings to Ranbir.
This is why I hate Ranbir. Not Ranbir the person. Ranbir the person I pity more than anything, as one of the many people on earth who never had the opportunity to learn empathy and therefore will never know the happiness of a true human connection. But I hate Ranbir Kapoor the idea, the persona, the star. He is a symbol of toxic masculinity, of man children who cannot grow up or understand what it is to be a grown up, of people raised in a house of mirrors where all they have ever seen is themselves and, in Ranbir, they find yet another mirror to reflect themselves while the rest of the world beyond the frame does not exist.
And then they go out into the world and reduce anyone who is different from them into a “dumb fuck”.
You articulated everything way better than I could have. Just to add one more point, to me, another facet of why Ranbir irks me more than most people is the amount of people, especially women, around him that feel the intense urge to protect and defend him. Good lord! I get a mother’s urge to protect her son from abuse and even generally when he is young. I can even understand why a girlfriend would want to defend her boyfriend. But listening to Neetu and Alia talk about Ranbir’s purity like he is the purest form of lotus and fawn over him like he is god is just beyond ridiculous! It bothers me that no one (friends or family) has ever held him responsible for his behavior. I have never come across people defending any other actor the way people defend Ranbir. Even Salman who has insanely loyal fans and is deeply flawed (similar to Ranbir) gets plenty of digs thrown at him. I just don’t understand people’s urge to protect and defend Ranbir without ever holding him responsible for his actions!
Also, yes, you have had many posts where people disagreed. Heck, you and I completely disagreed on Kabir Singh. Or even on the post about Ranveer and college education. But if anything, I am grateful to have a platform where we can disagree (even passionately) but respectfully. But the vitriol that comes from Ranbir fans is something else.
Also, PS. in the post, I think you meant to say Rajiv (youngest son, failed marriage late in life, lived with his mother until they both passed away) and instead said Randhir.
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Look! Look how respectfully you corrected me about Rajiv versus Randhir! Modeling such good behavior.
And yes to the protectiveness. Because it should be reciprocal, right? In an ideal world, you are raised loved and protected and that gives you the emotional resources to love and protect others. But I can’t think of a time that Ranbir has in some way protected others rather than the other way around.
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 1:25 PM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
Exactly! His persona is constantly the man child that just lets the people around him prop him up but never defends or protects his supposed loved ones. And it would be okay, if that was his “public” persona but somehow he seemed different in real life. But that isn’t the case. For example, Ranveer acts like a cracked our fool publicly, yet, anyone who sees Ranveer and Deepika together sees that the public persona is a smoke screen. He is kind and loving and in tuned with Deepika’s needs in every way. I never ever feel that way about Ranbir.
To Ranbir, he is incapable of thinking outside of himself, and to him, the world owes him because he had an abusive childhood and boo hoo he “feels” everything so deeply! (No I do not wish his childhood on anyone) But also ugh! Kareena and Karishma has it so much worse, and yet somehow they succeeded despite the odds stacked against them and continued to be decent human beings.
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I can’t do worse than what I said last time, I will blame him and the generation before him FOREVER for not safeguarding the world film heritage they had and for not giving the women of his generation the credit they deserve for being the leaders of the family in the industry.
I’m not even kidding, if I ever meet him the first thing out of my mouth will be why didn’t you save the studio or at least the artifacts and make them accessible to a world public? I hope he enjoys being lectured about film history for literally hours. Or, doesn’t enjoy it, I guess.
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HA! You think you would win a Lecture Battle with Ranbir! He will draw his sword of Mansplaining and Drive you back.
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 2:17 PM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
It’s not like he even knows any but MAYBE the most basic academic terms, he is a puny adversary.
Yes!!! It’s Shashi’s daughter and Kareena who have kept the Kapoor legacy alive. I can’t help but think that if Kareena had been given the responsibility of saving the studio she would’ve done an excellent job at it. But why would the Kapoor men ever recognize their daughters (instead of their sons) as the true heirs. Ugh!!!!
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Obligatory “Except Shashi”
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 4:11 PM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
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It should be noted that every time I say Kapoor men, I mean “except Shashi”
We need an abbreviation like “Kapoor Men (ES)”
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 4:17 PM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
You are 100% right. I also think Karishma could have been given a business role and excelled at it. But instead they shunted her out.
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Completely agree! That could have been her second career!!! She is another actress who essentially grew up on the film sets and likely to have absorbed everything about running a studio without even realizing it.
“mark my words I repeat again mark my words. This movie is gonna go the “Mera Naam Joker” way”
LOL 5 years passed, is it on the Mera Nam Joker way already?
Also I love how those fan boys always use the “this and that person said it’s a good movie, so how you dare saying something else” argument. I once criticised Sharwanand’s farming movie, and one guy said: you can’t say it’s a bad movie because the minuster of agriculture of Andhra Pradesh praised the film. And I said: dude, of course he praised it, it’s basically 2 hour long farming ad.
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Yes! The whole argument, in any context, of “you can’t have this opinion because this other person has an opinion” has never made sense to me. I mean, listen to doctors and get vaccines, but that’s not an opinion. You are allowed to like and not like things just on your own! There’s no right answer!
I also sometimes kind of feel the rote learning vibe there? Like, “every question has one right answer and you just have to memorize it”.
On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 9:35 AM dontcallitbollywood wrote:
Ranbir and Alia wedding pics are out
Well I am one of the rare person on this blog who liked Jagga, irrespective of my own hatred towards him. But whatever you say is totally correct….well I would have loved if you could have included his narcissistic behaviour which people assume to be introversion…..it’s an insult on introverts only. Kindly do another post on his narcissistic tendencies in terms of affairs and relationships. Please …..please …..please…
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